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Kuo: Apple will not include earbuds or charger in iPhone 12 box, instead introducing a 20W power adapter to be sold separately

this won't be included Adamya Sharma / Android Authority : How do you feel about Apple dropping the in-box charger for iPhone 12? Oliver Haslam / iMore : Analyst Kuo also says we shouldn't expect a charger to ship with iPhone 12 Tim Hardwick / MacRumors : ‘iPhone 12 Pro’ Models Could Be Capable of Shooting 4K Video at 120fps and 240fps Jon Fingas / Engadget : This year's iPhones might not include a charger in the box Julio Cachila / International Business Times : Apple Launching 8.5-Inch iPad Mini Next Year, Analyst Claims Matthew Wille / Input : The iPhone 12 won't come with earbuds or a charger, analyst predicts Oliver Haslam / Redmond Pie : Kuo: iPhone 12 Lineup Will Ship Without Any Charger In The Box Josiah Motley / KnowTechie : Your fancy, expensive 2020 iPhone might not come with a power adapter or earbuds Malcolm Owen / AppleInsider : 10.8-inch, 8.5-inch iPads will have 20W charger, iPhone 12 won't, says Ming-Chi Kuo Michelle Meyers / CNET : iPhone 12 will likely come without earbuds and power adapter Abhimanyu Ghoshal / The Next Web : Apple might skip including a charger with your iPhone 12 to make it cheaper Steve Vegvari / iPhone in Canada Blog : Apple to Release 10.8-Inch iPad in 2020, 8.5-Inch iPad Mini in 2021, Both to include 20 W Adapter: Kuo Kelly Earley / Silicon Republic : iPhone 12 will reportedly be sold without earbuds or power adapter Bogdan Popa / Softpedia News : The iPhone Box Could Soon Include Only the Phone and Nothing Else Abdullah / Gizchina : APPLE PLANS TO LAUNCH A 10.8″ IPAD THIS YEAR AND AN 8.5″ IPAD MINI IN 2021 Yoni Heisler / BGR : This is the most surprising iPhone 12 leak so far, and people are angry Prakhar Khanna / Pocketnow : Kuo reiterates Apple's plans of a new 10.8-inch iPad in 2020, iPad Mini in 2021 JC Torres / SlashGear : iPhone 12 might not have a charger in the box according to Kuo Tyler Lee / Ubergizmo : 8.5-inch iPad Mini Expected To Arrive In 2021 Ali Salman / Wccftech : Apple Might Launch a New 10.8-Inch iPad This Year and an 8.5-Inch iPad Mini Next Year Brandy Betz / Seeking Alpha : Apple leaving adapters out of iPhone 12 box - analyst Evan Selleck / iDownloadBlog.com : Rumored 10.8-inch iPad may launch before the end of 2020; expect 8.5-inch iPad mini in early 2021 Jody Serrano / Gizmodo : Analyst Claims That Apple's iPhone 12 Will Have Charger Sold Separately Abhay Venkatesh / Neowin : iPhone 12 will reportedly not come with a charger in the box Aaron Mamiit / Digital Trends : iPhone 12 purchases will reportedly not include power adapter Stephen Warwick / iMore : We don't need chargers in our iPhone boxes anymore Pradeep / MSPoweruser : Apple will not be shipping power adapter and earphones in the iPhone 12 box Brahm Shank / Appleosophy : Ming Chi Kuo: Charger & Headphones Will Not Be Included with iPhone 12 Rajesh Pandey / iPhone Hacks : Kuo: Apple Could Launch a 10.8-inch iPad This Year, 8.5-inch iPad Mini in 2021 Philip Elmer-DeWitt / Philip Elmer‑DeWitt : Ming-Chi Kuo: No charger, no earbuds with Apple's next iPhone MacDailyNews : Ming Chi-Kuo: iPhone 12 box will not include Apple EarPods or charger Tweets: Benjamin Mayo / @bzamayo : “People that don't have them can just buy them, no big deal” .... That's an extra $63 and change at the Apple Store. 10% of an iPhone 11's price right there. https://twitter.com/... Ben Schoon / @nexusben : Earbuds are totally understandable (if a little weird given how often I see iPhone users using the included buds) No charger? That's... insane. What if someone switches? What if this is their first phone? Most people have a charger, but holy crap what a user-hostile move https://twitter.com/... Mkbhd Parody / @parodymkbhd : 2030 , iPhones won't come with Pre-Assembled You have to buy each parts and assemble them ! https://twitter.com/... @jonyiveparody : If anyone needs a spare 5W charger, I probably have at least 10,000 of them sitting unused in a drawer... https://twitter.com/... Siguza / @s1guza : Wait until next year and watch as they remove the lightning port, but still ship a USB-A-to-Lightning cable just to spite you. https://twitter.com/... Mark Mezrich / @mark_mez : Love the minimizing of waste here. Apple can make this seem less “cheap” through UX defaults. $999 with charger and buds, but promos to make it as much as $40 off by selecting to not include these items with your order. https://twitter.com/... Steven Sinofsky / @stevesi : Maybe Apple isn't including a power adapter because they could not figure out which one to choose or works? https://twitter.com/... Chakib Tsouli / @tsoulichakib : I'm surprised they are including an iPhone. https://twitter.com/... Benson Leung / @laughing_man : So besides the meme of a big company nickel and diming you for a required piece of equipment, there's a perfectly good reason for doing this, which is to vastly reduce e-waste. The point of a universal charging standard is that the charger is useful longer than the product. https://twitter.com/... Judah Guttmann / @guttmnn : Honestly, on the one hand I feel like I'll be getting ripped off spending $1K+ on a phone and a charger isn't included in the box. But on the other hand I do think it's the right environmental move. (But obviously that's not Apple's only motive here) https://twitter.com/... @jonathanwthomas : Meh don't really mind. At this point, we all have dozens of bricks and cables. I never, ever use the earbuds and they just end up a drawer. https://twitter.com/... Stephen Hall / @hallstephenj : They need to put a Lightning cable in the box for sure but doesn't everyone have like 20 different basic USB power adapters laying around? https://twitter.com/... @rdrv3 : This is fine. And this is how Apple makes this a win: it's greener. You already have an iPhone charger. You already have headphones. The amount of plastic and eWaste this will reduce is not negligible. https://twitter.com/... @ossycocotaso : Hi @Apple. If this is true I hope the chargers aren't designed to fail after 2 months of use. I say this because that's the life span of your chargers since the first iPhone https://twitter.com/... Kevin / @kcurryl2g : I'm not paying $1200 for a phone not to include a charger or earbuds. Apple doesn't need more margin. They can include wireless ear buds and a charger and sell 1.5x tbe volume. #apple https://twitter.com/... Tola / @adetolaov : Hope this is not true. Like this is taking the piss - who sells a gadget without the charger? What's more worrying is that if Apple does it and gets way with it, more manufacturers of gadgets (e.g phones & laptops) will adopt this model. https://twitter.com/... Mike Lapidakis / @mlapida : Lots of chatter around this leak. My take: the only phones that wont come with chargers are those sold through the upgrade program. All other SKUs will have one included. Getting a new charger and a new pair of headphones every year is a waste. https://twitter.com/... Marty Mankins / @martymankins : I can understand not including the headphones but not including a charger is ludicrous and just plain an accessory money grab for a needed item. https://twitter.com/... @jason : Apple's strategy under @tim_cook of extorting every last dollar from their loyal customers is seriously off putting. I moved my company to ChomeOS for 30% of the price of Apple & everyone is more focused on faster & stable PCs. iMessage is the only thing keeping me on iPhone. https://twitter.com/... Brenden Mulligan / @mulligan : Happy to see this happening: Apple will not include earbuds or charger in iPhone 12 box via @Techmeme https://www.techmeme.com/... https://twitter.com/... Brenden Mulligan / @mulligan : Happy to see this happening: Apple will not include earbuds or charger in iPhone 12 box https://www.techmeme.com/... https://twitter.com/... Garrett M. Graff / @vermontgmg : Apple does an amazing job making its products ever harder to use in terms of dongles, new chargers, cables, earbuds, etc. — none of which ever seem to be included.... https://twitter.com/... Matthew Lynley / @mattlynley : Honestly part of me feels like they're eventually going to get the price down enough to include AirPods in at least a Pro/Pro Max box or something. So many companies are making wireless buds for so much cheaper. https://twitter.com/... Kindred / @cashew_kindred : I don't have a problem with this. I have usb sockets all around my home, never use the plugs unless I'm on holiday. https://twitter.com/... David Hall / @davidjoelhall : Bad move IMO. Even though most people have chargers already, never expect your customer to provide a necessity to use the device (unless it's a consumable, e.g. gas). https://twitter.com/... AstroNerd / @ssaig : This actually makes sense. Not defending apple here but when you think about it, people who are already using the iPhone now has a bunch of chargers laying around. I have 2 18w adaptors now. When I upgrade I won't sell them. Disaster for new comers but. https://twitter.com/... Joe Rossignol / @rsgnl : Ming-Chi Kuo summary today: - No charger or EarPods with iPhone 12 models - The new iPhone SE will also start shipping without a charger later this year - A new 20W charger will be sold separately - New 10.8" iPad and 8.5" iPad mini models will include the 20W charger in box https://twitter.com/... Todd Sawicki / @sawickipedia : As someone who uses the wired earbuds - Apple better lower the price to compensate or burn this customer's goodwill https://twitter.com/... Carolina Milanesi / @caro_milanesi : If you are upgrading the changer won't matter and to most people nor will the lack of EarBuds. For new buyers it would be nice to have a discounted bundle for the accessories even if limited in channel and to be done at the time of the iPhone purchase. https://twitter.com/... Tom Warren / @tomwarren : @mgsiegler I kinda agree, but there's also the aspect of landfill and electronics waste. There can't be many truly new smartphone owners now, so they'll pay the price for being late and not already owning a charger Rick Webb / @rickwebb : This is so lame. https://twitter.com/... Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious / @2xaught7 : Not including a charger? Get the hell outta here. https://twitter.com/... M.G. Siegler / @mgsiegler : I thought the move away from wired EarPods was smart. I think not including earbuds at all is fine (assuming you're give a discount on the AirPods). I think not including a charger is stupid. 🔋🔌🤔 https://twitter.com/... Steve Kovach / @stevekovach : 2016: no headphone jack 2017: no home button 2020: no charger, no headphones 2023: iPhone screen sold separately for just $599. You're gonna love it. https://twitter.com/... @myjoe_ : 2025: Apple will not include iPhone in iPhone 17 box https://twitter.com/... Michael Kukielka / @detroitborg : I understand why they would eliminate the included EarPods, but eliminating the charger would be a hard ask. https://9to5mac.com/... via @bzamayo Benjamin Mayo / @bzamayo : You can't even make the argument that people have loads of fast chargers lying around, like you can with earbuds. I have ~three USB-C chargers, one came with my iPhone 11 Pro, one came with my MacBook Pro and one I got sent from a company as part of a review thingy. @karizma23 : The Apple-ist of Apple moves. https://twitter.com/... Brad Sams / @bdsams : Everyone complains Apple charges to much...soon they won't charge at all. https://twitter.com/... Subrahmanyam Kvj / @sub8u : Apple unboxing circa 2025: You pay a $1,000 for the box. You get access to a QR code to order the actual one for another $1,500 😂 https://twitter.com/... Benjamin Mayo / @bzamayo : At this rate, surprised the box is included. https://9to5mac.com/... Seth Weintraub / @llsethj : Honestly, not too bothered by this. Everyone has 20 USB chargers at home and no one uses lighting earbuds. Everything wireless. Apple probably going to save more on freight, storage, inventory with super small packaging than actual garbage parts https://twitter.com/... Jamie Bishop / @jamiebishop123 : this is so stupid i can't even https://twitter.com/... Sam Guichelaar / @samguichelaar : Will the meme become reality? https://twitter.com/...

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  • @bzamayo Benjamin Mayo on x
    “People that don't have them can just buy them, no big deal” .... That's an extra $63 and change at the Apple Store. 10% of an iPhone 11's price right there. https://twitter.com/...
  • @nexusben Ben Schoon on x
    Earbuds are totally understandable (if a little weird given how often I see iPhone users using the included buds) No charger? That's... insane. What if someone switches? What if this is their first phone? Most people have a charger, but holy crap what a user-hostile move https://…
  • @parodymkbhd Mkbhd Parody on x
    2030 , iPhones won't come with Pre-Assembled You have to buy each parts and assemble them ! https://twitter.com/...
  • @jonyiveparody @jonyiveparody on x
    If anyone needs a spare 5W charger, I probably have at least 10,000 of them sitting unused in a drawer... https://twitter.com/...
  • @s1guza Siguza on x
    Wait until next year and watch as they remove the lightning port, but still ship a USB-A-to-Lightning cable just to spite you. https://twitter.com/...
  • @mark_mez Mark Mezrich on x
    Love the minimizing of waste here. Apple can make this seem less “cheap” through UX defaults. $999 with charger and buds, but promos to make it as much as $40 off by selecting to not include these items with your order. https://twitter.com/...
  • @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x
    Maybe Apple isn't including a power adapter because they could not figure out which one to choose or works? https://twitter.com/...
  • @tsoulichakib Chakib Tsouli on x
    I'm surprised they are including an iPhone. https://twitter.com/...
  • @laughing_man Benson Leung on x
    So besides the meme of a big company nickel and diming you for a required piece of equipment, there's a perfectly good reason for doing this, which is to vastly reduce e-waste. The point of a universal charging standard is that the charger is useful longer than the product. https…
  • @guttmnn Judah Guttmann on x
    Honestly, on the one hand I feel like I'll be getting ripped off spending $1K+ on a phone and a charger isn't included in the box. But on the other hand I do think it's the right environmental move. (But obviously that's not Apple's only motive here) https://twitter.com/...
  • @jonathanwthomas @jonathanwthomas on x
    Meh don't really mind. At this point, we all have dozens of bricks and cables. I never, ever use the earbuds and they just end up a drawer. https://twitter.com/...
  • @hallstephenj Stephen Hall on x
    They need to put a Lightning cable in the box for sure but doesn't everyone have like 20 different basic USB power adapters laying around? https://twitter.com/...
  • @rdrv3 @rdrv3 on x
    This is fine. And this is how Apple makes this a win: it's greener. You already have an iPhone charger. You already have headphones. The amount of plastic and eWaste this will reduce is not negligible. https://twitter.com/...
  • @ossycocotaso @ossycocotaso on x
    Hi @Apple. If this is true I hope the chargers aren't designed to fail after 2 months of use. I say this because that's the life span of your chargers since the first iPhone https://twitter.com/...
  • @kcurryl2g Kevin on x
    I'm not paying $1200 for a phone not to include a charger or earbuds. Apple doesn't need more margin. They can include wireless ear buds and a charger and sell 1.5x tbe volume. #apple https://twitter.com/...
  • @adetolaov Tola on x
    Hope this is not true. Like this is taking the piss - who sells a gadget without the charger? What's more worrying is that if Apple does it and gets way with it, more manufacturers of gadgets (e.g phones & laptops) will adopt this model. https://twitter.com/...
  • @mlapida Mike Lapidakis on x
    Lots of chatter around this leak. My take: the only phones that wont come with chargers are those sold through the upgrade program. All other SKUs will have one included. Getting a new charger and a new pair of headphones every year is a waste. https://twitter.com/...
  • @martymankins Marty Mankins on x
    I can understand not including the headphones but not including a charger is ludicrous and just plain an accessory money grab for a needed item. https://twitter.com/...
  • @jason @jason on x
    Apple's strategy under @tim_cook of extorting every last dollar from their loyal customers is seriously off putting. I moved my company to ChomeOS for 30% of the price of Apple & everyone is more focused on faster & stable PCs. iMessage is the only thing keeping me on iPhone. htt…
  • @mulligan Brenden Mulligan on x
    Happy to see this happening: Apple will not include earbuds or charger in iPhone 12 box via @Techmeme https://www.techmeme.com/... https://twitter.com/...
  • @mulligan Brenden Mulligan on x
    Happy to see this happening: Apple will not include earbuds or charger in iPhone 12 box https://www.techmeme.com/... https://twitter.com/...
  • @vermontgmg Garrett M. Graff on x
    Apple does an amazing job making its products ever harder to use in terms of dongles, new chargers, cables, earbuds, etc. — none of which ever seem to be included.... https://twitter.com/...
  • @mattlynley Matthew Lynley on x
    Honestly part of me feels like they're eventually going to get the price down enough to include AirPods in at least a Pro/Pro Max box or something. So many companies are making wireless buds for so much cheaper. https://twitter.com/...
  • @cashew_kindred Kindred on x
    I don't have a problem with this. I have usb sockets all around my home, never use the plugs unless I'm on holiday. https://twitter.com/...
  • @davidjoelhall David Hall on x
    Bad move IMO. Even though most people have chargers already, never expect your customer to provide a necessity to use the device (unless it's a consumable, e.g. gas). https://twitter.com/...
  • @ssaig AstroNerd on x
    This actually makes sense. Not defending apple here but when you think about it, people who are already using the iPhone now has a bunch of chargers laying around. I have 2 18w adaptors now. When I upgrade I won't sell them. Disaster for new comers but. https://twitter.com/...
  • @rsgnl Joe Rossignol on x
    Ming-Chi Kuo summary today: - No charger or EarPods with iPhone 12 models - The new iPhone SE will also start shipping without a charger later this year - A new 20W charger will be sold separately - New 10.8" iPad and 8.5" iPad mini models will include the 20W charger in box http…
  • @sawickipedia Todd Sawicki on x
    As someone who uses the wired earbuds - Apple better lower the price to compensate or burn this customer's goodwill https://twitter.com/...
  • @caro_milanesi Carolina Milanesi on x
    If you are upgrading the changer won't matter and to most people nor will the lack of EarBuds. For new buyers it would be nice to have a discounted bundle for the accessories even if limited in channel and to be done at the time of the iPhone purchase. https://twitter.com/...
  • @tomwarren Tom Warren on x
    @mgsiegler I kinda agree, but there's also the aspect of landfill and electronics waste. There can't be many truly new smartphone owners now, so they'll pay the price for being late and not already owning a charger
  • @rickwebb Rick Webb on x
    This is so lame. https://twitter.com/...
  • @2xaught7 Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious on x
    Not including a charger? Get the hell outta here. https://twitter.com/...
  • @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x
    I thought the move away from wired EarPods was smart. I think not including earbuds at all is fine (assuming you're give a discount on the AirPods). I think not including a charger is stupid. 🔋🔌🤔 https://twitter.com/...
  • @stevekovach Steve Kovach on x
    2016: no headphone jack 2017: no home button 2020: no charger, no headphones 2023: iPhone screen sold separately for just $599. You're gonna love it. https://twitter.com/...
  • @myjoe_ @myjoe_ on x
    2025: Apple will not include iPhone in iPhone 17 box https://twitter.com/...
  • @detroitborg Michael Kukielka on x
    I understand why they would eliminate the included EarPods, but eliminating the charger would be a hard ask. https://9to5mac.com/... via @bzamayo
  • @bzamayo Benjamin Mayo on x
    You can't even make the argument that people have loads of fast chargers lying around, like you can with earbuds. I have ~three USB-C chargers, one came with my iPhone 11 Pro, one came with my MacBook Pro and one I got sent from a company as part of a review thingy.
  • @karizma23 @karizma23 on x
    The Apple-ist of Apple moves. https://twitter.com/...
  • @bdsams Brad Sams on x
    Everyone complains Apple charges to much...soon they won't charge at all. https://twitter.com/...
  • @sub8u Subrahmanyam Kvj on x
    Apple unboxing circa 2025: You pay a $1,000 for the box. You get access to a QR code to order the actual one for another $1,500 😂 https://twitter.com/...
  • @bzamayo Benjamin Mayo on x
    At this rate, surprised the box is included. https://9to5mac.com/...
  • @llsethj Seth Weintraub on x
    Honestly, not too bothered by this. Everyone has 20 USB chargers at home and no one uses lighting earbuds. Everything wireless. Apple probably going to save more on freight, storage, inventory with super small packaging than actual garbage parts https://twitter.com/...
  • @jamiebishop123 Jamie Bishop on x
    this is so stupid i can't even https://twitter.com/...
  • @samguichelaar Sam Guichelaar on x
    Will the meme become reality? https://twitter.com/...