Sources: parts of the Trump administration are reigniting efforts to implement de facto bans on foreign open-source models, as Chinese AI models gain momentum
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Context & Ripple Effects
The policy debate has shifted quickly from how freely U.S. models can be released to whether foreign models should be available at all. Just last week, officials and industry groups were discussing streamlined releases of U.S. open models when they matched leading Chinese open models.
The renewed push also arrives as China considers limits on foreign access to advanced AI models, making model availability an increasingly reciprocal arena of AI competition rather than solely a domestic safety question.
First-order effects
- Foreign open-source model providers and the U.S. users that deploy their models face renewed policy uncertainty while administration factions test mechanisms for de facto restrictions.
- The effort puts the administration's stated resistance to a centralized AI regulator under pressure: access controls would still require a practical way to identify, assess, and enforce restrictions on covered models.
Second-order effects
- U.S. model developers could gain a protected channel to domestic users if restrictions advance, while enterprises may need to reassess which open-model dependencies are acceptable for U.S. deployments.
- Any U.S. move would reinforce incentives for Chinese authorities to pursue their own proposed foreign-model limits, turning access rules into a more explicit bargaining and competitive lever.
Third-order effects
- If both governments continue to condition access to models by origin, open source will become less of a borderless distribution mechanism and more a target of national AI policy.
- The resulting market could split along jurisdictional lines, with developers and customers maintaining separate model choices and compliance processes even when model weights are publicly available.
The trend: This is part of model-access balkanization, in which governments treat AI model availability as a strategic control point alongside chips, data, and procurement.
Related: Model access as geopolitical control · Model-access balkanization · Chinese AI · U.S. discussion of streamlined open-model releases · China's discussions on limiting foreign model access
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Discussion
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@stevehou
Steve Hou
on x
I mean it's pretty clear that the direction of travel would be to nudge US enterprises away from Chinese open models by soft rules against companies using Chinese models while doing business with the federal govt. It doesn't take much to send a signal. It'll likely be bipartisan.
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@deanwball
Dean W. Ball
on x
@teortaxesTex Senior usg officials attacked me for the take. It is *insane* to suggest my analysis is legitimizing these clearly longstanding conversations
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@teortaxestex
@teortaxestex
on x
Remember: @deanwball doesn't write USG policy anymore, but he has a fairly good idea of how it can develop. It doesn't much matter if he approves. Dunking on Dean in his OpenAI employee capacity is fun. Is this fun too? Well, *I* am having a lot of fun. [image]
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@jukan05
Jukan
on x
Damn, this is exactly what @deanwball said, isn't it? [image]
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@jukan05
Jukan
on x
U.S. EYES TOUGHER CURBS ON CHINESE AI THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS REPORTEDLY CONSIDERING STRICTER RULES ON CHINESE AI MODELS AFTER THE LAUNCH OF MOONSHOT AI'S KIMI K3. OPTIONS INCLUDE REQUIRING U.S. HOSTING PROVIDERS TO GUARANTEE THE SECURITY OF CHINESE MODELS AND ACCEPT
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r/LocalLLaMA
r
on reddit
Sources: parts of the Trump administration are reigniting efforts to implement de facto bans on foreign open-source models, as Chinese AI models gain momentum
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@natolambert
Nathan Lambert
on x
The price of fearmongering. Will hurt the US medium term.
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@deredleritt3r
Prinz
on x
Axios: - The USG is “showing signs it could ban cutting-edge Chinese models” following the release of Kimi K3. - Confusingly, the same article later clarifies that it likely wouldn't be a direct ban, but rather some combination of the following: 1. Procurement rules. The
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@danielnewmanuv
Daniel Newman
on x
Of course the USA isn't going to just let China repackage American innovation and sell it back to its enterprises at a discount. I can't believe people fall for this crap in the first place. 😮💨
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@rickyho_1989
Ricky Ho
on x
This is no longer about national security. It is about economic security. Washington is beginning to recognize that China's AI progress is no longer hypothetical. Models like DeepSeek and now Moonshot's Kimi K3 have demonstrated that frontier AI capability is becoming
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@ryanfedasiuk
Ryan Fedasiuk
on x
It sounds like the administration is considering exactly the approach I outlined in April. [image]
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@kimmonismus
@kimmonismus
on x
The Trump administration is showing signs it could ban cutting-edge Chinese AI models Via Axios The Trump administration is reportedly reviving efforts to restrict cutting-edge Chinese AI models such as Kimi through Entity List designations, procurement rules, security [image]
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@huaijiangzhu
@huaijiangzhu
on x
my spicy theory is that chinese ai labs keep winning because of culture, not talent or resources. chinese labs still have a deeply hands-on engineering culture. deepseek and kimi are flat organizations where science and engineering are fused: the same people move between
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@bindureddy
Bindu Reddy
on x
Wow - woke up to some really bad news The nightmare scenario is coming true - the US may ban open source models Europe and China will dominate the global AI market and kill the US - If this happens
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@emollick
Ethan Mollick
on x
We need clarity about what sorts of threats the government is worried about. To what extent is this just intended as an industrial policy & to what extent is it based on a real security risk? The investment going into building on top of Chinese open models is huge, stakes are big
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@thezvi
Zvi Mowshowitz
on x
Posting on Kimi K3 paused for incorporation of breaking news; I had an entire section on @deanwball predicting this and various people creating a clarifying moment by becoming unhinged, but it hits different now that we know this is already under serious consideration.
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@scaling01
@scaling01
on x
everyday americans will live in the permanent underclass, while europeans will enjoy cheap chinese open-source models I like this timeline
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@perrymetzger
Perry E. Metzger
on x
If this happens, it will hand the race to the Chinese. Most of the users worldwide will continue using Chinese models, US firms will be unable to benefit from or build on top of those models, and so we'll have the worst of both worlds.
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@andrewcurran_
Andrew Curran
on x
This does explain some of David Sacks's posts yesterday. It was known for a while that open-source regulation was a contentious debate ongoing within the administration, and he would have been strongly against it. https://www.axios.com/...
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@andrewcurran_
Andrew Curran
on x
The Trump administration is considering an executive order, and other means, to ban Chinese open-source models within in the United States. Kimi K3 has reignited this debate. Reporting this morning by Axios. Commerce is also considering adding Chinese AI labs to the Entity List. …
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@leothecurious
@leothecurious
on x
lots of “open vs closed strategy” discourse on the tl since the banger ~frontier open weights drop from kimi k3. unfortunately, much of those takes seem to be taking sides at the expense of nuance. both are right but it's not that simple. here's my 2 cents:
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@davidsacks
David Sacks
on x
Kimi K3 just fixed 15 critical security bugs that Codex and Fable refused because of “cyber guardrails.” There's no reason to limit American models on tasks that Chinese models handle without issue. We're only making ourselves less competitive.
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@alexstamos
Alex Stamos
on x
How hard is this to type, David? “The Trump Administration was wrong to ban Fable and I was wrong to support the ban.” Try it, I bet you will still get ringside UFC tickets.
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@levie
Aaron Levie
on x
Depending on which path is taken here, this would be very unfortunate. In the more extreme bans, we would be asymmetrically disadvantaging ourselves. America would reduce the options for AI models in our market, whereas the rest of the world would keep gaining access to both
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@mweinbach
Max Weinbach
on x
If they do this it'll go down as one of the stupidest moves in history You don't restrict it, you loosen restrictions in our models to actually Be useful against those and encourage more and faster innovation for frontier models here
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r/neoliberal
r
on reddit
The secret Trump administration battle to fight Chinese AI
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@deanwball
Dean W. Ball
on x
Some observations on Kimi: 1. It's a very good model! I don't think its performance can be explained away by distillation or anything like that. In agentic coding sessions, it seems pretty much on par with the best public models of Q1 2026. In my fairly limited use, it also s…
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@davidsacks
David Sacks
on x
I'm not sure whether Dean Ball is confessing to a regulatory capture strategy or simply predicting this will happen (he now says the latter). Either way, the weaponization of regulatory uncertainty as a competitive tool should be completely unacceptable. He argues there's no [ima…
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@benbajarin
Ben Bajarin
on x
Overall a great read and I agree with all of it by @benthompson [image]
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@willmanidis
Will Manidis
on x
My friend Dean Ball has advanced an argument for the de facto protection of American frontier intelligence providers. Dean does not propose banning Chinese open-weight models. Banning things requires Congress. He proposes something more characteristic of the modern
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@jukan05
Jukan
on x
It's no exaggeration to say I come to X for exactly this kind of intellectual elitism. This is basically porn to me.
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@rabois
Keith Rabois
on x
Someone actually understands what is going on.
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@stratechery
@stratechery
on x
Who's Afraid of Chinese Models? Everyone is worried about Chinese models, but the frontier labs will be fine; we need to enable open U.S. alternatives. https://stratechery.com/...
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@martin_casado
@martin_casado
on x
“Open-weight models are inherently decelerationist” .... this is a grossly incorrect statement with no supporting arguments or logic that is counter to the long arc of learnings of the industry over the last 50 years. What a stupid thing to say.
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@egrefen
Edward Grefenstette
on x
What the fuck did I just read?
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@bubbleboi
Bubble Boi
on x
This is a level of having your head up your own ass I've never seen before.
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@francoisfleuret
François Fleuret
on x
“Open-weight models are inherently decelerationist” You young people do not know, but we went through exactly the same kind of bullshit when linux started to get market shares.
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@crypt0lake
@crypt0lake
on x
this post has dark energy very american bush-esque energy right here freedom is slavery type language grim
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@wanguws
Howe Wang
on x
I give 6 months [image]
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@blancheminerva
Stella Biderman
on x
It continues to be an excellent heuristic that when employees of trillion dollar corporations shake their fists and scream “you just want communism” you're doing the right thing.
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@martin_casado
@martin_casado
on x
Do you know what open weights model actually decelerate? The formation and power of oligopolies. You know, those things which really do stifle innovation.
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@buccocapital
@buccocapital
on x
OpenAI taking a page out of the Bush administration's playbook. You can get a smart-sounding person to justify anything! If you can get a Ivy League law professors to use constitutional theory of law and the concept of statehood to justify a proactive war on the abstract
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@rnaudbertrand
Arnaud Bertrand
on x
This is a thoughtful post by the Head of Strategic Futures at OpenAI but his claim that “open weight models are inherently decelerationist” is fundamentally wrong. Yes it may be decelerationist for individual companies like OpenAI or Anthropic (and even that's not sure at all)
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@cgtwts
@cgtwts
on x
“Open-weight models are inherently decelerationist”. [image]
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@jaldrichpl
Jonathan Aldrich
on x
It's just so RICH that the Head of Strategic Futures at an organization that (A) was founded as a nonprofit (B) with a vision of promoting OPENNESS in AI and (C) is literally called @OpenAI is now throwing shade at open source / open weight models. How far they have fallen.
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@albertwenger
Albert Wenger
on x
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” Upton Sinclair
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@grady_booch
Grady Booch
on x
“Open-weight models are inherently decelerationist” Let me reframe that for you: “open-weight models undercut @OpenAI's ability to make piles of money for a product whose ROI is still a large negative number.”
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@tetsuo_cpp
@tetsuo_cpp
on x
Babe wake up, new insufferable frontier lab employee tweet dropped.
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@qualiascript
@qualiascript
on x
it's 2001. open-source Linux is better than Windows on servers. Steve Ballmer calls Linux “cancer”, “communist” and asks for it to be regulated away it's 2026. open-source LLMs are better than ChatGPT/Claude on costs. they are called “decelerationist” and “communist”
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@drnicka
Nick Almond
on x
Unhinged shit from this OpenAI strategy bellend. He admits Kimi is as good as the frontier and it's not basic distillation. So can't just call it theft. So calls open models communist instead. Anything that is a “public good” is commie apparently. Somehow then makes the leap
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@ruima
Rui Ma
on x
Oh look someone who works for OpenAI telling you that - AI is so dangerous! How can you let anyone but us handle it! - Anyone who lets other people use it basically just doesn't understand tech. They dumb boomers. We smart tho. Never mind their regulations actually show a
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@pawelwargan
Paweł Wargan
on x
OpenAI's Head of Strategic Futures says that AI as a public good rather than a “market product” is a path towards a “dystopian hellscape” of automated communism. These people are fighting tooth and nail against the democratisation of technology — and they are losing.
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@deepdishenjoyer
@deepdishenjoyer
on x
lmao openai admits it does not want fully automated luxury space communism, they are openly admitting they want technofeudalism where they own everything [image]
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@thdxr
Dax
on x
“One probable outcome of an open-weight-model-dominant world is full AI communism” [image]
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@signulll
@signulll
on x
i can probably take this thread point by point & counter it hardcore but the quote tweets have done that so it's not that interesting. but beyond that.. you as an openai head of policy simply cannot publicly post content where you blatantly introduce mechanics for fud
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@jun_song
Jun Song
on x
An OpenAI (aka ClosedAI) executive is really out here saying the most absurd things. They're claiming that open-source AI is decel and wants a dystopia—the biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard. It's pretty obvious they're just terrified of their own company going bankrupt.
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@batwood011
Brian Atwood
on x
This is grotesque. I bet Dean is a good, smart guy. Yet he is trying to convince you that hosting an LLM in your basement - private and sovereign, as the Founding Fathers would have wished - is dystopian communism. Now why would he do that?
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@benjaminnorton
Ben Norton
on x
This guy who works at the poorly named OpenAI (or more accurately ClosedAI) laments that China's open-source models could lead to: “full AI communism, which is precisely what China proposes: rather than a market product, AI is a ‘public good’ which will ultimately be provided by …
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@growing_daniel
Daniel
on x
Okay, I'll take a hack at Deans argument without his conflict of interest. What China is doing in AI is called dumping. They do it in literally every industry they enter. The goal is to kill all local competition by subsidizing their own industry so they can produce at a loss,
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@dillon_mulroy
Dillon Mulroy
on x
actually an insane thing for openai's head of strategy to publicly say [image]
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@yacinemtb
Kache
on x
You know that thing that happens when you can't read a big blob of text because an LLM wrote it and it contains zero entropy? Yeah
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@dee_bosa
Deirdre Bosa
on x
The irony of this: China's strategy is remarkably capitalist... use free models to win distribution and capture the ecosystem. This meanwhile proposes gov't intervention to shield American labs from competition. America is better off competing than manufacturing FUD
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@jachiam0
Joshua Achiam
on x
Some observations, in the wake of the Dean Ball open source discourse. In my long tenure at OpenAI and as a public commentator on social media, I never felt pressure from OAI leadership or the comms department to say or post anything; I always gave my own view. It's possible I
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@saadgul10
Saad Gul
on x
Interesting
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@aravsrinivas
Aravind Srinivas
on x
Well said!
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@soubhikdeb
@soubhikdeb
on x
Really good essay from @bgurley on why open source is the competition that free market needs. The following para from the essay essentially captures the demand side. “Start-ups want open models, to build without a gatekeeper. Enterprises want them, because they don't want their
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@adamthierer
Adam Thierer
on x
“Treating open-model AI instead as a danger to be licensed and contained is a category error, and would be a costly one. It mistakes the ordinary work of competition for a threat to be policed.” 🎯
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@sarthakgh
Sar Haribhakti
on x
“Sears was not allowed to outlaw Walmart. IBM was not allowed to outlaw Dell. The legacy airlines were not allowed to outlaw Southwest (though they tried). In each case, a comfortable incumbent met a rival with a lower cost structure, and in each case the incumbent had exactly
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@dee_bosa
Deirdre Bosa
on x
“The open-model wave is not an attack on AI companies. It is the market responding to the fortune they say they are about to make. They called it forth themselves.” Gurley nails it. Open models are the market doing what markets do when incumbents are charging huge margins.
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@martin_casado
@martin_casado
on x
Excellent piece.
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@andrewarruda
Andrew Arruda
on x
this presupposes the legal framework of china and the us are the same as it pertains to training AI, which, so far, they are not. china imposes no copyright liability for AI training @bgurley
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@perrymetzger
Perry E. Metzger
on x
Really, really good opinion piece by @bgurley in the Washington Post.
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@senatorshoshana
@senatorshoshana
on x
I am horribly late to discovering Bill but quickly becoming a huge fan of his thinking “The puzzle worth explaining is not why open models are free. It is why proprietary software has commanded enormous margins since the 1980s, with an artificial scarcity, fenced off by
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@bgurley
Bill Gurley
on x
The way to think about “open” in software is being a low-cost producer (vs a high margin one). When a company (or 2) achieves record valuations in record time, that rightfully attracts competition (as it should). We need to let the free market work. https://www.washingtonpost.com…
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NewsMax.com
Brian Freeman
on x
Trump Weighs Curbs on Chinese AI Models
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@ralph_grabowski
Ralph Grabowski
on x
Not clear to me how open-source models can be banned. I see why US gov't wants to protect US AI firms but the firms and their VC enablers are drunk on overspending, obsessed with distant gleam of $1-trillion valuations. Gotta laff at those saying this gives advantage to Europe🤣. …
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@peterwildeford
Peter Wildeford
on x
The US has an immense strategic advantage by having way more compute than China. This advantage is key to the AI race. Kimi K3 cannot be run on the laptop. It must be run on the cloud. China lacks compute to both train and run models and this is good for the US.
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@chamath
Chamath Palihapitiya
on x
If you force American companies to spend 50-100x more than their competitors abroad here is what will happen: 1. American companies spending 50-100x will at some point become financially impaired and the stock market will crater. This is the equivalent of the US Government
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@valmianski
Ilya Valmianski
on x
Reminder, competition is good, actually, and is the basis of our previous economic success. Let's not learn our economics from third world shitholes.
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@jun_song
Jun Song
on x
It has began. Just exactly like what I've been posting
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@xw33bttv
Lex
on x
Trump admin going full retard. I thought America was all about free market/enterprise. Apparently that economic model ends when your competitors start producing better products at cheaper prices. This wont stop China btw lmao
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@max_paperclips
Shannon Sands
on x
Well US open source labs, the field is clear. Now's the time to shine Or is it - wonder if they'll go after US open source models too? Wouldn't want to be “unsafe” after all
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@deanwball
Dean W. Ball
on x
@teortaxesTex Huh, wow, almost like I called it. easiest prediction in the world to make, but one I wasn't seeing anyone else actually say. I will be much more cautious about making analytic predictions in the future, however.
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@omercheema
Omer Cheema
on x
Ridiculous. An open-source AI model hosted on secure US infrastructure is secure by definition, as far as open source code is audited properly. Take the example of two travel SaaS platforms: lets say China's https://trip.com/ powers its services with cheap,
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@cryptopunk7213
@cryptopunk7213
on x
to be fair, Dean called it. [image]
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@ccatalini
Christian Catalini
on x
1/ The strongest argument for banning open-weights models? Written in 1907. Theodore Vail had just retaken AT&T and declared competition a waste: “Universal Service, One system, One policy” was the only way to guarantee a return on capital. [image]
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@signulll
@signulll
on x
state protected capitalism where incumbents privatize the upside while the government socializes their competitive risk by banning cheaper better foreign alternatives. yuck!! this is akin to the american govt giving the trophy to the usa soccer team & calling them world cup
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@teortaxestex
@teortaxestex
on x
Though, that said... Has he ever left? Using Dean to preannounce the measure as “analysis” and “prediction” and take the heat off the labs would be quite smart too. What does OpenAI even need an ex-official for? To imagine “AI futures”? Codex imagine 10 futures, make no mistakes.
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@krishnanrohit
Rohit
on x
This is the Strait of Hormuz for AI policy
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@sophiacai99
Sophia Cai
on x
There was a brief discussion about this recently, but the Commerce Department is *NOT* moving forward on banning Chinese models at this time, per person familiar.
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@levie
Aaron Levie
on x
The reason why you want strong open weights models is because it pushes the entire AI industry forward. The amount of creativity that exists when you have competing approaches for what the future looks like drives the cycle of innovation that we've seen for all participants.
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@garymarcus
Gary Marcus
on x
Amid all the competing concerns about AI, including geopolitical tensions, the risks of unemployment, cybercrime, and disinformation, and the complexities of open-source, to say nothing of the risk of runaway AI, it's pretty clear that the highest priority in the Trump
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@bgurley
Bill Gurley
on x
KeyPoint! Making a move like this wouldn't just hurt US AI competitiveness, it would negatively impact every US company in every industry - because they would be forced to pay prices for AI that are drastically above market. It would hurt US competitiveness in every field!
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@chamath
Chamath Palihapitiya
on x
The leading AI has already forked into two options. A: Closed source American that costs $26-56 per 1MM tokens. B: Open weight Chinese that costs $0.50-1 per 1MM tokens. If you force American companies to spend 50-100x more than their competitors abroad here is what will
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@johnennis
John Ennis
on x
What a disaster If this happens, it will be the dumbest thing that Trump administration has ever done It's honestly hard to think of anything dumber
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@garrytan
Garry Tan
on x
Great reminder to stay frosty
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@uswremichael
@uswremichael
on x
Every industry/ecosystem has its supreme village idiot. @deanwball is that for AI. Congress passed a law in 2026 that restricted some uses of DeepSeek/High Flyer with waivers permitted. Only those models. It went through the democratic process not some Deep State scheme like he
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@film_girl
Christina Warren
on x
all this does is ensure that the “unsafe” models are in the hands of the people that only want to do harm. it won't prevent anything except letting people who do good work do good work.
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@phl43
Philippe Lemoine
on x
I think it's now clear that Dean Ball's post wasn't random but was a public manifestation of a debate that is currently taking place within the Trump administration about how to deal with Chinese open-weights models, pitting advocates of competition who probably have their own
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@signulll
@signulll
on x
if zuck had stuck to his original plan & managed to release an open weights model at the level of kimi k3, it would've cemented him his legendary status in history... from the guy who invented facebook that has had at least some negative societal implications to the guy who made
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@basedjensen
@basedjensen
on x
Hell has truly frozen over I am agreeing with charmath bro
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@hackingdave
Dave Kennedy
on x
The banning of models from China is very reminiscent of the TikTok/Bytedance debacle. Claims of national security risk with zero proof or evidence ever given to its citizens. We live in a capitalist society where we are the largest engine of wealth and intellectual property
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r/singularity
r
on reddit
The Trump administration considers banning cutting-edge Chinese AI models (per Axios). Decel move?
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@sriramk
Sriram Krishnan
on x
great piece from @bgurley on open weight models
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@teortaxestex
@teortaxestex
on x
I'd actually say that “open source” as a dumping strategy makes little sense The point of dumping is to bankrupt the competition, yes, but you're still selling Chinese OS, in theory, just shifts the revenue from US labs to US neoclouds. That's... not a big blow to the US
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@martin_casado
@martin_casado
on x
It's a shame we're conflating the Chinese AI situation with Open Source more broadly. The latter is foundational to a healthy industry. The former, is more complicated and the core arguments are largely independent of OS (you can subsidize and dump without OS).
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Charles H. Martin, PhD
Charles H. Martin, PhD
on linkedin
News today is that Trump may impose a ban on Chineese AI models. Once again, the AI tech bros can not see the writing on the wall. …
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@deliprao
@deliprao
on x
Banning BYD vehicles led American consumers to drive to Canada to purchase them. Banning ‘Chinese AI’ models will lead to VPN user growth. Markets hate inefficiencies.
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@adamthierer
Adam Thierer
on x
It's another good day to remind the world that banning open source models isn't just about economics and competition, but also about free speech and the free flow of information.
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r/LocalLLaMA
r
on reddit
Kimi K3 just fixed 15 critical security bugs that Codex and Fable refused because of “cyber guardrails”. Hugging Face: We had this experience ourselves this week! …