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A US appeals court signals skepticism with TikTok's arguments against the law that could force it to sever ties with China to keep operating in the US

Judges are considering the validity of legislation that could shut down Chinese-backed app used by half of Americans

Wall Street Journal Jacob Gershman

Context & Ripple Effects

TikTok had already committed to contesting the divestment measure, framing it as a First Amendment issue in its pledge to fight the bill in court. This hearing is an early test of whether that rights-based challenge can overcome the government's national-security rationale.

The case became the hinge point for a far larger operational question: whether TikTok could remain available in the US without changing its ownership ties. Later coverage shows the appeals court upheld Congress's authority to impose a sale-or-ban outcome, setting up Supreme Court review.

First-order effects

  • The panel's skepticism weakens TikTok and ByteDance's immediate court posture, while leaving the company facing a choice between a structural separation and loss of US operations if the law stands.
  • Users and the platform's US ecosystem remain exposed to continuity risk because the legal challenge is targeting the condition for TikTok to keep operating, not a narrower platform rule.

Second-order effects

  • A judicial validation of the law shifts leverage toward US policymakers and makes a divestment transaction, rather than a purely legal victory, the more consequential route for preserving the service.
  • The later Supreme Court ruling that upheld the law turns the dispute from an unresolved constitutional challenge into an enforcement and ownership-transition problem.

Third-order effects

  • If this reasoning is applied beyond TikTok, foreign ownership and control of major consumer platforms can become a more central target of US national-security policy, even where users' speech interests are substantial.
  • The case points to a governance model in which market access can be conditioned on ownership separation; its broader reach will depend on whether lawmakers and courts apply that model to other foreign-linked services.

The trend: TikTok is a prominent test of ownership-based national-security regulation becoming a tool for governing cross-border consumer technology platforms.

Discussion

  • @daveleebbg Dave Lee on threads
    Bad day in court for TikTok.  Bloomberg Intelligence analysts say 2 of the 3 judges seemed unconvinced by its arguments.  “We're cutting TikTok's odds of halting the ban to 30% from 70%.”
  • @reckless1280 Nilay Patel on threads
    This is fascinating because the TikTok algo is so famously censorious creators invented words like “seggs” and “unalive” https://www.theverge.com/...  [image]
  • @ebakerwhite Emily Baker-White on threads
    9/ Oh.  And: This thing is gonna get appealed by whoever loses.  They might appeal en banc to the DC Circuit (if they want to slow things down) but after that or without that, somebody will appeal to SCOTUS.  Whether SCOTUS grants cert, we don't know.  But a cert petition is a gi…
  • @ebakerwhite Emily Baker-White on threads
    8/ Overall, not a good day for TT/BD (despite a meh performance from DOJ's counsel).  The judges seemed likely to find that this case does have some important speech implications (maybe intermediate scrutiny?) but seemed averse to strict scrutiny.  But it could still go either wa…
  • @ebakerwhite Emily Baker-White on threads
    My impressions on the TikTok oral argument in the DC Circuit today (constitutionality of the ban bill): 1/ Nobody talked about bills of attainder or takings.  The juice here is in the 1A.  2/ It wasn't a blowout, but on the whole, rough day for ByteDance/TikTok.
  • @b_fung Brian Fung on threads
    Today wasn't the slam dunk that TikTok needed.  All three judges asked some very skeptical questions about the ByteDance relationship.  But they didn't let the government off easy, either, pushing DOJ on the impact to Americans' 1A rights.  Hard to say how this'll turn out. https…
  • @drewharwell Drew Harwell on threads
    The chances of TikTok getting banned in the U.S. just went up.  For real.  —  The judges today had tough questions for the Justice Department.  But they seemed unswayed by TikTok's First Amendment defense and favorable to the government's national-security concerns …
  • @bobbyallyn Bobby Allyn on x
    In federal court covering oral arguments in TikTok v DOJ.  Pretty hard to discern which way the court is leaning.  Judges showing skepticism over TikTok's effort to overturn ban law, saying China's status as a foreign adversary is crucial.  And also serious Qs to DOJ about TikTok…
  • @superwuster Tim Wu on x
    Just listened to the TikTok oral arguments; the case may mark the beginning of a backlash against overreaching First Amendment arguments esp in tech https://www.youtube.com/...
  • @tatum_hunter_ Tatum Hunter on x
    Both sides have asked for a ruling by December, and that ruling will likely be appealed, potentially sending the case to the Supreme Court. The original deadline for a ban or forced sale is January 19.
  • @tatum_hunter_ Tatum Hunter on x
    Court is adjourned! Here's the tl;dr on today's TikTok ban hearing: Govt. says China-based ByteDance has too much leeway to manipulate TT's algorithm. TT argues the govt. is speculating and unfairly targeting a foreign-owned platform for free speech.
  • @mattschett Matt Schettenhelm on x
    An update after this morning's D.C. Circuit argument: TikTok is in *serious* trouble. If people weren't taking this “ban” seriously yesterday, they should be today.
  • @kattenbarge Kat Tenbarge on x
    During a DC Circuit Court of Appeals hearing today, a judge likened the government's rationale for banning TikTok or forcing a sale to an American owner to a 1988 case that found the government was justified in closing the Palestine Information Office https://www.nbcnews.com/...
  • @ebakerwhite Emily Baker-White on x
    My impressions on the TikTok oral argument in the DC Circuit today (constitutionality of the ban bill): 1/ Nobody talked about bills of attainder or takings. The juice here is in the 1A. 2/ It wasn't a blowout, but on the whole, rough day for ByteDance/TikTok.
  • @knightcolumbia @knightcolumbia on x
    .@knightcolumbia comments on today's hearing in the federal #TikTok Ban case, saying that upholding the ban would do profound damage to our democracy. See the full statement from @JameelJaffer below & at the link. https://knightcolumbia.org/... [image]