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• @parkert Parker Thompson on threads

  I would like to personally apologize to the auto makers I mocked for pulling or not including CarPlay.  As the Dude once said, new shit has come to light, man.

• @jonathansposts Jonathan Harrop on threads

  This reads like someone has misread something CarPlay CAN do soon (well publicised, by Apple) as some kind of malicious hacking by Apple to take over cars' systems.

• @davie_jens David Jensen on threads

  They're focusing on the “coercion” piece but in the end GM made the choice to not allow it, so that somewhat undermines the antitrust argument the government is making.  On the other side, Apple is saying all or nothing and not offering its own alternative.  Not sure how that wou…

• @gergelyorosz_ Gergely Orosz on threads

  This is from the Department of Justice, quoted exactly as they put it.  I assume they did extensive research and have backing for all these statements.  We'll surely learn a lot more during this trial!

• @ashzade_ Ash Zade on threads

  I still don't get how it's anticompetitive.  There are alternatives, including their own systems.

• @reckless1280 Nilay Patel on threads

  Everyone seems to be willfully missing the point here - the argument is Apple is threatening carmakers that they have to take the full next-gen CarPlay or nothing at all, which is anticompetitive tying to the iPhone monopoly

• @gergelyorosz_ Gergely Orosz on threads

  So THIS is why GM said it will no longer support Apple CarPlay from 2026?!  And build their own Android experience.  Because they don't want Apple to take over all the car's screens as Apple demands it does so.  From the US vs Apple lawsuit:

• @niedermeyer.io E.W. Niedermeyer on bluesky

  Interesting pushback on the DOJ's characterization of CarPlay here, from a well-informed auto industry watcher.  [embedded post]

• @neilcybart Neil Cybart on x

  Worth revisiting the U.S. government's antitrust lawsuit against Amazon (still in early innings). I talked about it over at @InsideOrchard a few months back. The U.S. gov is struggling to get around the fact that Big Tech plays in competitive markets. https://insideorchard.com/..…

• @dorajfacundo Jarod Facundo on x

  DOJ's concern about Apple CarPlay stands out. “Apple has told automakers that the next generation of Apple CarPlay will take over all of the screens, sensors, and gauges in a car, forcing users to experience driving as an iPhone-centric experience if they want to use any of the..…

• r/technews r on reddit

  Apple CarPlay is anticompetitive, too, US lawsuit alleges |  The company's popular phone-mirroring service allows Apple to exert too much control …

• r/technology r on reddit

  Apple CarPlay is anticompetitive, too, US lawsuit alleges |  The company's popular phone-mirroring service allows Apple to exert too much control …

• r/cars r on reddit

  Apple CarPlay is anticompetitive, too, US lawsuit alleges

• r/apple r on reddit

  Apple CarPlay is anticompetitive, too, US lawsuit alleges

• @daviddoesfuji David Ruddock on threads

  Also, why is Apple PR shooting from the hip like this?  It feels very un-Apple to drop a background statement to a reporter with the nebulous goal of... convincing who of what, exactly?  This is transparent and reactionary and it's not a good look At All

• @daviddoesfuji David Ruddock on threads

  Apple is worth three trillion dollars.  It has probably “explored” more ideas in the last 10 years than I could imagine.  If this is meant to in some way sidestep the very obvious and very intentional moating of features like iMessage and AirDrop, it's not remotely convincing as …

• @crumbler Casey Newton on threads

  A notable aspect of the DOJ lawsuit against Apple is that of the five core charges, Apple has essentially conceded — at least in part — on three of them: cloud game streaming, iMessage/RCS, and NFC chip access (in Europe) https://www.platformer.news/ ...

• @mossbergwalt Walt Mossberg on threads

  The iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch have delivered enormous benefits for consumers.  Not so much for certain types of developers and competitors.  But I wish the DOJ would move faster and do better in stopping Trump from destroying democracy than in helping companies compete with Ap…

• @nexusben Ben Schoon on threads

  The fact that this quote has made it to a government lawsuit is AMAZING and so deserved.  More on @9to5google: https://9to5google.com/...

• @benedictevans Benedict Evans on threads

  The more of this DoJ lawsuit I read, the more sloppy it gets.  It reminds me of that FTC case against Meta that just... forgot to define Meta's ‘monopoly’.  The judge threw it out and the FTC had to refile the whole thing.

• @film_girl Christina Warren on threads

  I thought the last time the DoJ sued the largest American tech company over monopolistic practices it was dumb.  I think it's dumb this time too.  But I cannot lie, I live for the drama.

• @ianbetteridge Ian Betteridge on threads

  I have no proper opinion about the DOJ/Apple stuff yet, because like 98.7% of the people complaining loudly about how terrible it is, I haven't read the 88 page filing.

• @hexinab0x Varun on threads

  Apple still not sunsetting Siri is the only acceptable reason to sue the company

• @technicallymims Christopher Mims on threads

  I really think if Apple had just never turned the bubbles green none of this would have ever happened

• @crumbler Casey Newton on threads

  There are many satisfying passages in the DOJ's case against Apple but this one, where they call out the company's disingenuous reliance on arguments about privacy and security, is my favorite

• @alexhcranz Alex Cranz on threads

  I love that the DOJ's complaints just read like a laundry list of stuff we all complain about with iPhones.

• @joannastern Joanna Stern on threads

  Ok cool, so in five years (iOS 21?) we'll get the same changes they've made in the EU?

• @film_girl@mastodon.social Christina Warren on mastodon

  I appreciate and respect how many people in the EU have told us Americans how we don't understand how EU policy works wrt the DMA.  And you're right!  When we opine on it, it is rarely with a cultural understanding of how things work there.  But similarly, I really would like EU …

• @bigzaphod@mastodon.social Sean Heber on mastodon

  I think maybe before taking any quick knee-jerk article about the DOJ vs. Apple lawsuit at face value, maybe read (or at least skim) the actual lawsuit yourself: https://storage.courtlistener.com/ ...  I haven't read it in detail (and I'm not going to, tbh) …

• @pelositracker_ Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker on x

  Impeccable Politician timing, once again 👌 Two months ago, we shared Senator Tommy Tuberville sold his entire $500K stake in Apple Today, the DOJ opened a lawsuit against $AAPL to break up its “Smart Phone Monopoly” The stock is down 4% today & 10% since he sold on 1/19 [image]

• @markgurman Mark Gurman on x

  The DOJ is blaming Apple for the Amazon Fire phone failing.

• @florian4gamers Florian Mueller on x

  Still reading the DOJ complaint. Here's the most brutal sentence thus far: “Rather, to protect its smartphone monopoly—and the extraordinary profits that monopoly generates—Apple repeatedly chooses to make its products worse for consumers to prevent competition from emerging.”

• @florian4gamers Florian Mueller on x

  An abstract way of looking at the DOJ's antitrust action against Apple is that it's like they're zooming in on the very part that the district court and the appeals court said Epic had failed to prove: customer lock-in. Epic's sacrifice was not in vain, apart from the injunction

• @joellthayer Joel Thayer on x

  ‼️ Today, 14 conservatives filed a letter to the @JusticeATR to express their support for its antitrust action against @Apple. Those listed are @Heritage @mrmeador @digitalfirstprj @JoinFAI @ZacharyGraves @ClareMorellEPPC @BullMooseProj @ZivenHavens @geoffrey_cain @JuliusKrein...…

• @getpeid Carl Pei on x

  Historical day. The entire tech industry thanks Spotify and @eldsjal for leading the charge! 💐

• @jason_kint Jason Kint on x

  This may go unnoticed but it is a fundamental shift in understanding how privacy and competition interrelate which scares the bejesus out of big tech who have long tried to keep privacy and antitrust in separate lanes to use as defense arguments. [video]

• @senwarren Elizabeth Warren on x

  It's time to break up @Apple's monopoly. From limiting digital wallets to raising iPhone prices, Apple has used its power to stop innovation, crush competition & harm consumers. This a new era of antitrust enforcement. @TheJusticeDept Kanter is holding Big Tech accountable.

• @gergelyorosz Gergely Orosz on x

  I keep saying that antitrust for Big Tech works surprisingly similar in the US and the EU - just with different timelines. Apple is another proof. Not too surprising given the de facto monopolies many of these tech companies became and their interest in reducing competition.

• @sdw Sebastiaan de With on x

  The US Department of Justice thinks Beeper — a hack that spoofed Mac serial numbers to make iMessage work on random hardware — was ‘fixing’ the messaging experience on iOS. What... the actual fuck [image]

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  A key part of Apple's brand promise is child safety. The streaming platforms are used by many under 18 or under 16 and are notorious for lax to no enforcement of standards and for inviting use to in-app purchasing to bypass parental controls. Essentially DOJ is arguing against...…

• @skinclasshero Ashley White on x

  If monopolization was a true concern, Ticketmaster is right there. This is really about Apple refusing to unlock phones for law enforcement.

• @ericjackson Eric Jackson on x

  So much harm and innovation thwarted by Apple over the years. I wish Steve Jobs was alive to rail against these technocrat elite regulators driven by blind and ignorant politics

• @amyklobuchar Amy Klobuchar on x

  The DOJ antitrust division filed a significant and important pro-consumer action today.  Apple is a gatekeeper that controls technology on the phones of more than half of all Americans.  If our legislation to safeguard competition for consumers and businesses had passed (and one …

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  Please read “Thoughts on Flash” as it could not be clearer why Apple did what it did. And this was before the iPad and long before PWAs or large smartphone share. Apple had less than 15% share when it drew the line at these runtimes. Yes it is the case that behavior is different.…

• @lutherlowe Luther Lowe on x

  Just as progressive groups came out in praise of Bill Barr's US v Google case in October of 2020, conservatives are praising the Biden DOJ's actions today on Apple. https://web.archive.org/... Checking the power of gatekeepers who abuse their dominance is a bipartisan endeavor.

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  What is a monopoly rent if the price has gone down as the platform became more popular? Why is Android's take the same? Why is Sony's? Does anyone think Unity/Unreal like their store fees or do they feel they messed up? As you keep reading this is getting more sloppy. What's a...…

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  The documents will show they were debating whether to have apps at all. Why? Because of concerns over how people will exploit the platform and risk security and privacy, and battery life. See “Thoughts on Flash” and see “I'm a Mac” tv commercials. The whole concept of curated... …

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  Have they used an Android phone? Has anyone tried to get their photos of Google? Can you even move your Google docs anywhere? Have you tried to export your saved maps? The list is endless and Google has higher share. [image]

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  The filing is very confused about what the platform is. This is similar to what we experienced in the Windows case. Is it APIs? Is it the end-user experience? And in Apple's case is it the hardware? I suspect the case is confused because so much of the institutional knowledge... …

• @munster_gene Gene Munster on x

  My initial take: DOJ case opens a new chapter for $AAPL investors, which I'll title “The Waiting Room”.  As a point of reference, DOJ began its case against $MSFT in 1998 and the ruling came in 2001.  Those were three long years...

• @ericjackson Eric Jackson on x

  Alternative ending: Trump elected. Case dropped

• @ingridlunden Ingrid on x

  The Apple Pay part of the complaint is the only time the DOJ references Europe, which has otherwise been a hotbed of Apple regulatory action. It's small revenues today, but a big part of the Apple playbook; no surprise it gets the attention it does. tip @Techmeme

• @lexnfx Alexei Oreskovic on x

  A costly quip indeed... [image]

• @jonfortt Jon Fortt on x

  I find it hilarious that the government takes partial credit here for the success of $AAPL's iPod, as if Steve Jobs didn't have to cut a deal with them HP CEO Carly Fiorina to seed the distribution of iTunes on Windows. [image]

• @markgurman Mark Gurman on x

  In response to the DOJ lawsuit, Apple confirmed it worked on Android support for the Apple Watch for three years before killing it over privacy concerns. This was Project Fennel, which I wrote about last year. https://www.bloomberg.com/...

• @carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x

  The root of Apple's recent success Apple to use dominance of the iPhone to push for dominance elsewhere (see Pay, Watch, AirPods). Even then it's still shockingly bold that Apple told car manufacturers that the only way to keep CarPlay is if they let Apple take over the dash.

• @gergelyorosz Gergely Orosz on x

  So THIS is why GM said it will no longer support Apple CarPlay from 2026?! And build their own Android experience. Because they don't want Apple to take over all the car's screens as Apple demands it does so. From the US vs Apple lawsuit: [image]

• @benthompson Ben Thompson on x

  This is the worst history of the iPod I've ever seen. [image]

• @modestproposal1 @modestproposal1 on x

  In tech, you either die at the mercy of a monopolist or live long enough to become the executioner

• @bzamayo Benjamin Mayo on x

  There's no sourcing on these flyby quotes from unnamed Apple employees, but this is somewhat juicy: it sounds like an iPhone product manager explaining how they should differentiate Pro vs non-Pro models more aggressively.  ["... very hard to regress our product features YOY"... …

• @caro_milanesi Carolina Milanesi on x

  Every case against Apple portraits its users as consumers with no free will. I really struggle with that

• @vadimyuryev Vadim Yuryev on x

  Tim Cook laughing all the way to the bank! For real, though. The blue bubble and high quality image and video messaging is one of the major pieces that helps keep iPhone users from switching over to Android. Apple will battle this to the death. [image]

• @nexusben Ben Schoon on x

  The fact that this quote has made it to a government lawsuit is AMAZING and so deserved.  ["Buy your mom an iPhone"]

• @castrotech Daniel Castro on x

  Replace “Apple” with “the government” and this DOJ complaint sounds more like the right-wing complaints about businesses paying too much taxes, rather than the left-wing rejoinder that its fair because they didn't build their businesses alone. https://www.justice.gov/... [image]

• @ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald on x

  Continuing and expanding on the anti-trust efforts of the Trump DOJ — including continuing with the lawsuit against Google and now this new one against Apple over its iPhone monopoly — is one of the few good things the Biden Admin has done. https://www.nytimes.com/...

• @brij @brij on x

  One can make reasonable argument around need to expand payment inclusion with better 3rd party access to nfc/Apple Pay and cutting 30% fee (which was reasonable to begin with but now feels obscenely excessive) but no DOJ wants to talk about green bubbles and hi-res pics!...

• @ccianet @ccianet on x

  U.S. #antitrust law protects consumers from harmful practices - not competitors from competition. The DOJ's lawsuit against Apple comes as part of an ongoing pattern of regulators targeting consumer-favorite #tech products & services and would harm, not help consumers.

• @jason_koebler Jason Koebler on x

  I bought the documents for the DOJ's lawsuit against Apple and we're making it available for free here: https://www.404media.co/...

• @mediamorphis Dwayne Winseck on x

  Very interesting move by the DoJ to go into the social uses of smartphones to build its abuse of dominance case against Apple.

• @pat_hedger Patrick Hedger on x

  Oh, I should add that while the Biden administration is supporting a bill to ban TikTok via app stores, if the Biden DOJ succeeds in blowing up Apple's walled garden, it becomes *a lot* harder for parents to control what goes on their kids' phones. Welcome to Washington. [image]

• @pat_hedger Patrick Hedger on x

  This suit would force iPhones to work more like Androids to increase choice at the app level. Eliminating the key competitive difference at the device level, where choice is limited, to expand choice at the app level, where choice can be overwhelming, is foolish.

• @eric_seufert Eric Seufert on x

  A cursory read of the DoJ's complaint: these issues are all fairly trivial, and addressing them wouldn't impact iOS' general market position. Alternative app stores, sideloading, and the App Store commission aren't raised. (1/X) [image]

• @s8mb Sam Bowman on x

  Any prosecutor bringing an antitrust case should be asked: is it consumers asking for a lawsuit here, or competitors? If consumers are largely happy, and it's the company's competitors who are unhappy, there's a very high chance that you're some rival company's useful idiot.

• @tomgara Tom Gara on x

  The regulatory focus on green message bubbles is so bizarre to me, but the fact that non-Apple headphones and watches etc aren't allowed to connect to an iPhone the same way that AirPods and Apple Watch do seems kind of straightforwardly anticompetitive

• @netchoice @netchoice on x

  Biden Tries to Slice Up Apple, Undermining Consumer Preferences With New DOJ Lawsuit WASHINGTON—Today, the U.S. Department of Justice's Antitrust Division (DOJ) announced a new lawsuit against Apple, one of America's most popular and trusted technology companies. This new... [ima…

• @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x

  Did ChatGPT write this? (I'm only half joking. This whole thing is riddled with text that feels like it was written by someone or something just smashing some text about technology together.)

• @thejusticedept @thejusticedept on x

  “Monopolies like Apple's threaten the free & fair markets upon which our economy is based. They stifle innovation, hurt producers & workers & increase costs for consumers. If left unchallenged, Apple will only continue to strengthen its smartphone monopoly.” - AG Garland

• @megangra Megan Gray on x

  Why did DOJ file the Apple in New Jersey? Well, the case had to be filed in one of these states, and of the group, the only other options were the following (the others don't have sophisticated commercial bar/bench so probably never under serious consideration):

• @thejusticedept @thejusticedept on x

  “The Supreme Court defines monopoly power as ‘the power to control prices or exclude competition.’ As set out in our complaint, Apple has that power in the smartphone market.” - AG Garland

• @thejusticedept @thejusticedept on x

  Justice Department Sues Apple for Monopolizing Smartphone Markets 🔗: https://www.justice.gov/... [image]

• @amandalws Amanda Lewis on x

  16 State AGs are: NJ, AZ, CA, DC, CT, ME, MI, MN, NH, NY, ND, OK, OR, TN, VT, WI

• @adamkovac Adam Kovacevich on x

  It's interesting what DOJ decided to focus on here - “super apps” (mostly theoretical in US), Cloud streaming apps, iMessage, watches, and Apple Pay. [image]

• @jolingkent Jo Ling Kent on x

  Asst AG Kanter adds on a final note in this DOJ presser: “Competition makes devices more private and more secure...our complaint explains in many instances, Apple's conduct in its ecosystem has made its product less private and less secure.”

• @thejusticedept @thejusticedept on x

  “Consumers should not have to pay higher prices because companies break the law. We allege that Apple has employed a strategy that relies on exclusionary, anticompetitive conduct that hurts both consumers and developers.” - AG Garland

• @thejusticedept @thejusticedept on x

  “Enforcing the law protects consumers from higher prices and fewer choices. That is the Justice Department's legal obligation. That is what the American people expect. That is what they deserve.” - AG Garland

• @tomwarren Tom Warren on x

  US sues Apple for illegal monopoly over smartphones. The Department of Justice claims Apple has maintained an illegal monopoly over the smartphone market by locking in customers and making experiences worse for rival products https://www.theverge.com/...

• @ericmigi Eric Migicovsky on x

  DOJ references Apple's stranglehold over texting on iPhones [image]

• @ashleygjovik Ashley M. Gjøvik on x

  I am delighted to see a media strategy deployed by DOJ this time to ensure they can control the message about their own lawsuit against Apple. Last time, Apple managed to get the media to bully DOJ & the federal monitor incessantly.

• @sytaylor Simon Taylor on x

  DoJ is coming after Apple for the Apple ecosystem monopoly Citing 1. The green vs blue messages 2. Digital wallet access (!!) 3. Smart watches 4. Treatment of developers and the 30% take rate https://techcrunch.com/...

• @jose_pagliery Jose Pagliery on x

  The DOJ, 15 states, and DC are teaming up to fight Apple with the biggest anti-trust lawsuit I've seen in a while. They want Apple to free up the iPhone and do away with limits on messages, smart watches & digital watches. https://storage.courtlistener.com/ ...

• @barstoolnate Eric Nathan on x

  The DOJ is suing Apple because they make it easier for Apple consumers to use Apple products. Why wouldn't they push their own stuff over competitors? Seems silly. [image]

• @amandalws Amanda Lewis on x

  Full complaint in DOJ v. Apple, joined by 16 State AGs! Available here. The complaint lays out a thorough and compelling story of Apple's consumer-harming and innovation-crushing conduct. Congrats are in order for the case team including State AG staff👏👏 https://storage.courtlist…

• @benthompson Ben Thompson on x

  wut [image]

• @mikebutcher Mike Butcher on x

  Apple sued by DOJ over iPhone monopoly claims - It accuses the company of increasing friction for those looking to switch to the competition. That includes things like “contractual restrictions” and the vetting process Apple uses on its App Store. https://techcrunch.com/...

• @garrytan @garrytan on x

  Apple's closed platforms & self-preferencing are stifling innovation and preventing new startups & emerging. Decisive antitrust action is needed to restore competition & innovation in the iOS ecosystem.

• @pdmcleod Paul McLeod on x

  Merrick Garland: Apple has maintained its profits not by innovating to stay ahead, but by blocking and degrading the functionality of non-Apple apps, and even its own apps when they interract with non-Apple services. https://www.justice.gov/live

• @pdmcleod Paul McLeod on x

  Bottom line: Biden DOJ and 16 state AGs say that Apple “has gone from revolutionizing the smartphone market to stalling its advancement.” They allege its anticompetitive contact violated the Sherman Act, raising prices on consumers and leaving them with a worse experience.

• @igorletina Igor Letina on x

  Reading the US v Apple complaint, I keep wondering why the DOJ decided to call the relevant product market “performance smartphones.” It sounds very off. [image]

• @jolingkent Jo Ling Kent on x

  AG Garland specifically called out Apple for allegedly “degrading quality” of texts between iPhones + Androids, to encourage people to buy more iPhones We did a deep dive on @CBSMornings on blue vs green bubbles back in December focused on @onbeeper. https://www.youtube.com/...

• @carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x

  2024 is the year the chickens came home to roost when it comes to several years of anticompetitive moves by Apple. They could only hide behind the fig leaf of doing things to protect users for so long. However it's now obvious how much it's really about tilting the playing field …

• @pythiar @pythiar on x

  “Apple makes a product everyone wants and will pay way more for because it works better and provides a better consumer experience and we don't like that.” - DOJ

• @garrettventry Garrett Ventry on x

  Why is Lisa Monaco involved in the Apple DOJ case? She literally represented Apple previously. Monaco should be recused from the case. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ ...

• @marceloplima Marcelo P. Lima on x

  DOJ lays out the bull case for $AAPL [image]

• @ericmigi Eric Migicovsky on x

  Oh hey, they worked in some Pebble stuff too [image]

• @ericmigi Eric Migicovsky on x

  This DOJ v Apple lawsuit is basically Eric Migicovsky v Apple. I swear I did not do this on purpose.

• @adamkovac Adam Kovacevich on x

  Digging into DOJ v Apple complaint... [image]

• @bzamayo Benjamin Mayo on x

  The US complaint has a whole section on Apple Watch tie-in protecting iPhone monopoly, and restricting other smartwatches from working well with the iPhone. That's something the EU hasn't really cared about (yet?).

• @ericmigi Eric Migicovsky on x

  Today, the US DOJ sued Apple for illegally creating a walled garden that traps users in the Apple ecosystem and stifles innovation of new apps/accessories. This is relevant to everyone in the US. It's a big deal. Full complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/ ... [image]

• @ericmigi Eric Migicovsky on x

  From the DOJ complaint. I couldn't have said it better myself ( https://blog.beeper.com/...) [image]

• @garrytan @garrytan on x

  Today's antitrust action against Apple is a watershed moment. Y Combinator applauds the DOJ for taking decisive steps to challenge practices that have insulated the iPhone from competition at the expense of consumer welfare and technological progress.

• @rakeshlobster Rakesh Agrawal on x

  Monopoly on distribution of apps written for iPhone? Best I can come up with. Apple has only 30% of global smartphone share. Remember when DoJ blocked staples merger because they defined “office superstores” as a market?

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  The quiet part in WSJ. The case against Apple is the last shoe to dropon the big four tech giants by U.S. antitrust officials.

• @film_girl Christina Warren on x

  Full DoJ complaint for anyone who like me has an hour before their first meeting and wants to peruse 88 pages https://storage.courtlistener.com/ ...

• @richontech Rich DeMuro on x

  People saying that their market share isn't a monopoly is missing the point. It's not about the market share. It's about limiting what developers are allowed to do with the iPhone hardware and software... while reserving the right to do it themselves. There are benefits to this..…

• @kantrowitz Alex Kantrowitz on x

  First paragraph of the DOJ suit vs. Apple. Dang. [image]

• @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x

  Maybe the US can ask to try this case in Brussels.

• @joannastern Joanna Stern on x

  Ok so in five years we'll get the same changes those in EU have gotten?

• @matthewstoller Matt Stoller on x

  CNBC is trying to say that the DOJ is doing something similar to Europe on Apple, but EU enforcers are short-sighted morons focused on easy-to-see app stores. U.S. antitrust enforcers are actually going at the core market power of exclusionary behavior.

• @adamkovac Adam Kovacevich on x

  - Apple refusal to allow game streaming apps - Apple refusal to allow “super apps” All in all the NYT's preview was pretty spot on!

• @adamkovac Adam Kovacevich on x

  Press embargoes on DOJ v Apple lifted. Here's what we're learning about suit's focus: - Excluding competitors from Apple Wallet - Excluding co's like Tile from location tracking - Hurts Android users through green bubble / blue bubble - Too difficult to own non-Apple watches

• @film_girl Christina Warren on x

  I thought the last time the DoJ sued the largest American tech company over monopolistic practices it was dumb. I think it's dumb this time too. But I cannot lie, I live for the drama.

• @lauren_feiner Lauren Feiner on x

  Can't wait to spend several weeks covering this trial in Jersey in like 3 years

• @richontech Rich DeMuro on x

  The pressure on Apple to change its ways has been on lately. First from the EU and now from the US. Apple controls just about every aspect of the iPhone experience whether users realize it or not From the apps you can install to the ways you can pay to the voice assistant and... …

• @papscun Dan Papscun on x

  BREAKING: DOJ and 17 state and district AGs sued Apple over its alleged monopoly of smartphone markets. Complaint points at conduct over payment systems, cloud streaming, cross-platform messaging, smartwatches, and “super apps.”

• @joannastern Joanna Stern on x

  Quite a week for Apple.

• @matthewstoller Matt Stoller on x

  DOJ suit against Apple has five claims on monopoly maintenance. Antitrust Division alleges Apple: 1) Blocking super apps 2) Mobile cloud streaming services 3) Excluding cross-platform messaging apps 4) Degrading non-Apple smart watches 5) Limiting third party digital wallets

• @mrddmia @mrddmia on x

  Amen.  Republican state attorneys general should join this bipartisan lawsuit to hold accountable trillion-dollar Big Tech monopolist Apple for its blatant market abuses.  Like these AGs did with the Google search and ad-tech antitrust lawsuits.  Free markets require functioning …

• @jeiting Jacob Eiting on x

  Can't wait for the Biden admin to beat up Apple for being rich and the Trump admin to beat them up for being woke Meanwhile app developers just want a better deal

• @jwsherrod John William Sherrod on x

  Remember: the definition of “antitrust” means whatever grandstanding politicians need it to be.

• @dhh @dhh on x

  “The Justice Department is poised to sue Apple Inc. as soon as Thursday, accusing the world's second most valuable tech company of violating antitrust laws by blocking rivals from accessing hardware and software features of its iPhone.” 👏https://finance.yahoo.com/ ...

• @florian4gamers Florian Mueller on x

  Apple is collecting regulatory challenges. Those challenges are typically about real issues, but have so far made only limited impact. So far. Apple's multi-front war on regulators and developers could still go down as a historic case of hubris and/or shortsighted management.

• @steipete Peter Steinberger on x

  Is the US getting FOMO on all the new nice EU-only iOS app freedom?

• r/worldnews r on reddit

  U.S. Sues Apple, Accusing It of Maintaining an iPhone Monopoly

• r/moderatepolitics r on reddit

  Apple sued by Biden administration over alleged iPhone ‘monopoly power’

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  U.S. Sues Apple, Accusing It of Maintaining an iPhone Monopoly

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  DOJ suing Apple in antitrust lawsuit

• @agraham999 Alan Graham on threads

  “Apple has similarly made it difficult for the iPhone to work with smartwatches other than its own Apple Watch, the government argued.  Once an iPhone user owns an Apple Watch it becomes far more costly for them to ditch the phone” The premise the Justice Department is working …

• @benedictevans Benedict Evans on threads

  I am very curious to see the market definition that stands behind the DoJ's assertion that Apple has a smartphone monopoly.  It has maybe 80% of US teenagers, but only a little over half of the US installed base.

• @eric_seufert Eric Benjamin Seufert on threads

  A cursory read of the DoJ's complaint: these issues are all fairly trivial, and addressing them wouldn't impact iOS' general market position.  Alternative app stores, sideloading, and the App Store commission aren't raised.  (1/X)

• @benedictevans Benedict Evans on threads

  Interesting to hear the DoJ reference the failed interventions against AT&T and Microsoft as precedents for suing Apple.  Also, you keep saying ‘monopoly’.  You're going to have to work pretty hard to demonstrate that.

• @alex@mastodon.macstories.net Alex Guyot on mastodon

  Jason's read the full DOJ complaint and has the best overview I've seen so far of what's being brought against Apple in this case: https://sixcolors.com/...

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  The highlight is patently FALSE. Microsoft begged and pleaded for Apple to make iTunes available on Windows. The debate inside Apple about going to Windows is well-documented and establish by the people who debated. How can you take this case seriously? This is how AT people... […

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  Quick Thoughts on DoJ v. Apple @mgsiegler “Honestly, it feels a bit like ChatGPT wrote some of these, just scanning a bunch of information and cramming bits together to make arguments. And really, that's undoubtedly a disservice to ChatGPT's capabilities.”...

• @joannastern Joanna Stern on x

  Oh yes, I'm remembering it now, Apple made Amazon use a dumb 3D screen and slow processor. It was the same day Apple made Microsoft acquire Nokia.

• @durreadan01 Adan on x

  This lawsuit is as cringe as lawsuits get. 💀 People are free to buy what they wanna buy. Yet they buy Apple products because they love the closed and refined experience offered. [image]

• @chancehmiller Chance Miller on x

  Yes, if you switch from iPhone to Android you ... have to learn how to use the Android interface? [image]

• @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x

  A few quick thoughts the topic of the night in tech... 🧑‍⚖️🍏 https://spyglass.org/...

• @connorjewiss Connor Jewiss on x

  being successful means you get sued now apparently this suit is a big miss https://www.imore.com/...

• @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x

  @markgurman Everyone knows that Apple made Amazon use that 3D tilt gimmick.

• @snazzylabs @snazzylabs on x

  Honestly, the DOJ's case seems pretty friggin' weak. There's absolutely some stuff Apple does that is anticompetitive and harmful to its own users, but I think Apple's gonna come out of this mostly unscathed. A few fines, a couple of small concessions, and that's it.

• @jonfortt Jon Fortt on x

  It's rather gutsy of the DOJ to describe $AAPL this way, considering I'm posting from a $429 iPhone SE. Apple's stifling innovation, overcharging, and somehow the free market can't address it. https://www.justice.gov/... [image]

• @om @om on x

  I think regulator's both in the US and Europe actually need to ask the paying customers why they use Apple products. Also, my opinion of regulators hasn't changed. They are just trying to secure their post-government gig. 😂

• @_mrjasonw Jason Williams on x

  @jsnell That was a really well-written article. Very matter-of-fact and not slanted in either direction. Much better than some of the hysterical takes that are floating around.

• @pkedrosky Paul Kedrosky on threads

  Right. but that's sort of my point, that it all gets messy once you start slicing for monopolies by geography, etc.

• @benedictevans Benedict Evans on threads

  USA is more like 50/50, to be fair.  But still.

• @pkedrosky Paul Kedrosky on threads

  What is a monopoly, anyway?  It's become a fairly existential question.

• @bzamayo Benjamin Mayo on threads

  The US complaint has a whole section on Apple Watch tie-in protecting iPhone monopoly, and restricting other smartwatches from working well with the iPhone.  That's something the EU hasn't really cared about (yet?).

• @benedictevans Benedict Evans on threads

  Thinking of a matrix across the EU/DoJ Apple complaints: Where is this just very silly?  The ‘green bubble’ nonsense, obviously Is Apple actually hurting users with this (yes on eg Spotify/ebooks)?  Is there any performance/privacy/security story? …

• @benedictevans Benedict Evans on threads

  The DoJ's history of the iPod is probably irrelevant from a legal point of view, but it's just amazingly ignorant and full of straight lies.

• @parkerortolani Parker Ortolani on threads

  I would like to remind folks that the message bubbles on the iPhone have been green since day one, well before Android was even close to shipping.

• @benedictevans Benedict Evans on threads

  I think this is a straight-out lie, and I don't use that word lightly.  On what planet is is remotely possible to claim that Microsoft going to block the iPod?

• @benedictevans Benedict Evans on threads

  I feel conflicted in talking or writing about tech regulation, especially of Apple.  On one hand, things like trying to ban personalised advertising or remove security protections are really dumb.  But on the other, none of it matters for where tech is going in the next decade.  …

• @benedictevans Benedict Evans on threads

  It is just hilarious that this nonsense is the lead item in a story about why the DoJ will sue Apple.

• @siracusa@mastodon.social John Siracusa on mastodon

  From the DOJ complaint:  —  “Apple inhibits third-party smartwatches from maintaining a reliable connection with the iPhone.”  —  To be fair, Apple does that to its own smartwatches too.

• @charlesarthur Charles Arthur on x

  We turn now to someone who was at Microsoft when the DOJ sued it on antitrust grounds to see what he thinks of the DOJ suing Apple on antitrust grounds

• @charlesarthur Charles Arthur on x

  This is simply ahistorical. The DOJ-Microsoft trial had no effect on iTunes for Windows. Microsoft had no reason to restrict iTunes - it had no competing device, and every iTunes for Windows installation cemented Windows dominance. [image]

• @parkerortolani Parker Ortolani on x

  “Not only is the DOJ's take on the iPhone's success a complete misunderstanding of the actual market dynamics for phones, it's flabbergastingly insulting.” https://daringfireball.net/...

• @benbajarin Ben Bajarin on x

  Agree either way this in the context it's insulting to consumers. To believe the DOJ you have to believe consumers are dumb and incapable of making sound choices knowing the pros and cons. Which is 100% false and only a fool would believe.

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  Today the US DOJ+16 states/DC (HA we had 19+) filed suit against Apple over abuse of market position ̷b̷y̷ ̷m̷a̷k̷i̷n̷g̷ ̷a̷ ̷v̷a̷s̷t̷l̷y̷ ̷b̷e̷t̷t̷e̷r̷ ̷c̷o̷m̷p̷u̷t̷e̷r̷ in an effort to keep customers reliant on iPhone. 🧵contd until I lose steam [image]

• @thurrott Paul Thurrott on x

  “Apple says the US DOJ's lawsuit sets a dangerous precedent and empowers the 'government to take a heavy hand in designing people's technology'” Note that Apple celebrated this when it happened to Microsoft.

• @gchampeau Guillaume Champeau on x

  Sure, however Microsoft didn't make a mandatory “Windows App Store” for developers who wished to distribute their software. Apple set rules that all iOS developers must follow to enter the iPhone market. This control of the iPhone market is way more impactful than Microsoft's...

• @hbkirb Adam Demasi on x

  With the US v Apple antitrust lawsuit news (and it's about time), I figured looking back to the last landmark antitrust case, US v Microsoft, would be useful to understand what might happen in the future. The problem: Microsoft owns Windows, and Windows is the only reasonable... …

• @asteveparker Steven Parker on x

  Bill Gates in 2001/Steven Jobs in 2010 yet no-one remembers Bill Gates for bringing the tablet PC to the world, Apple is widely attributed for popularizing tablet PC use, 9-years later than Microsoft, who are terrible at marketing. [image]

• @papscun Dan Papscun on x

  Apple is engaging in “many of the same tactics that Microsoft used” before it was sued for monopolization in the 1990s, Associate AG Mizer says.

• @mattrosoff Matt Rosoff on x

  Took a while, but here's my first post for @techcrunch on a subject near and dear to my heart - antiantitrust: https://techcrunch.com/... via @techcrunch

• @modestproposal1 @modestproposal1 on x

  The DOJ starts and finishes its argument by analogizing Apple to bad old Microsoft. Their efforts to force open the iPhone are natural successor to their efforts to open Windows up to cross platform applications which they claim as enabling Apple's survival and success. [image]

• @munster_gene Gene Munster on x

  I just finished listening to the DOJ $AAPL press event...They took about 5 questions after prepared remarks and it's clear the complaint is focused around the iPhone as a “core monopoly” and the products and “ecosystem” that orbits it.  These include services (Music, iCloud, Apps…

• @briancalbrecht Brian Albrecht on x

  Did you know DOJ is suing Apple? You did? Okay. Well, there's a lot of talk comparing the Apple antitrust case to Microsoft back in the day. What were the effects of the Microsoft lawsuit? There's an important paper you should know 🧵

• @s8mb Sam Bowman on x

  Antitrust now means going after companies making best-in-class products that consumers think are great. Ignoring consumer welfare makes it possible to misuse antitrust - for rent-seeking by competitors, or for attacks on corporations motivated by anti-capitalism. [image]

• @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x

  “If left unchallenged, Apple will only continue to strengthen its smartphone monopoly,” U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement. The iPhone has 50% - 60% smartphone market share in the US. The legal gymnastic to get this to stick will be fun to watch.

• @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x

  Apple has done itself absolutely no favors with regulator (and developers recently) with their silly and stubborn stances. But the one area they seem most sound is legally. At least in the US! (I'm no lawyer, but I'm playing one on Twitter, as many of us will today.)

• @benbajarin Ben Bajarin on x

  Qualcomm won the last time this tactic was tried by using a highly narrow definition of the market. I'd wager Apple will also.

• @swiftonsecurity @swiftonsecurity on x

  Today, the DoJ has filed suit against Taylor Swift, arguing her dominance over culture constitutes a monopoly. The complaint says her capture of music, performance, sports, and media are exclusionary to other challengers. A lawyer for Swift said they will dispute this vigorously.

• @ryanaraine Ryan Naraine on x

  Great line from the DOJ complaint: “Apple users could use their iPod with a Windows computer, and Microsoft did not charge Apple a 30 percent fee for each song downloaded from Apple's iTunes store.”

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  This is the worst antitrust case ever brought. So embarrassed for the US. It is against privacy, security, safety, reliability, and more. Literally the AG talking about green bubbles. Out of the gate falsely stating messaging is insecure for non-iPhone users. I can't even.

• @jonfortt Jon Fortt on x

  Amazing how Apple has managed to build a smartphone “monopoly” with barely 50% share in the U.S. and a wildly profitable rival with a $1.8 trillion market cap. What's the definition of monopoly again? $AAPL $GOOGL #DOJ

• @eriqgardner Eriq Gardner on x

  As big as the U.S. v. Microsoft case a quarter century ago https://www.documentcloud.org/ ...

• r/technology r on reddit

  Apple's iPhone is not a monopoly like Windows was a monopoly

• r/apple r on reddit

  Apple's iPhone is not a monopoly like Windows was a monopoly |  TechCrunch

• @mossbergwalt Walt Mossberg on threads

  Apple is hardly perfect.  It seems excessive to ban a developer from merely putting a URL for an alternate payment method in its app.  But, hands down, I'd take Apple's concern for privacy and security over the option of having competing app stores from companies that don't care …

• @eshumarneedi @eshumarneedi on threads

  This is it, I've had enough of this nonsense.  Joe Biden should fire the worthless do-nothing shame of an attorney general Merrick Garland by sundown tonight.  This is the most ridiculous lawsuit, filed in a country built and thriving on a free market.  The United States want to …

• @sdw Sebastiaan de With on x

  A reminder that in 2024 customers have one choice of cable company in the US but somehow Apple's being accused of being a monopoly when... the Apple Watch doesn't work with Android phones

• @sdw Sebastiaan de With on x

  I am supportive of good legislation in tech (especially for privacy and user rights) but this Apple DOJ complaint is everything that can be bad about government tech regulation: an ignorant, pointless exercise which will likely hamper making meaningful laws that help us as users.

• @jolingkent Jo Ling Kent on x

  Apple on DOJ's suit, in part: “This lawsuit threatens who we are...It would also set a dangerous precedent empowering government to take a heavy hand in designing people's technology. We believe this lawsuit is wrong on the facts + the law, & we will vigorously defend against it”

• r/apple r on reddit

  Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is ‘Wrong’