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• @levie Aaron Levie on x

  The big winner in all of this is going to be open weights models. This is a huge win for the field, as a risk that was entirely theoretical and untested 2 days ago (that a model could be pulled back), now has a new precedent that's been set. The game theory the US should highly

• @kevinbankston Kevin Bankston on x

  The idea that Fable is still blocked because @k8em0 has pink hair and is explciit about pronouns is absolutely maddening, completely lawless, and absolutely on brand for this clown car of an administration

• @simonw Simon Willison on x

  Doesn't sound like we'll be getting Fable back very soon, then [image]

• @ericnewcomer Eric Newcomer on x

  how does Axios stomach even running this authoritarian garbage... savvy style... Anthropic needs to kowtow to the administration more

• @levie Aaron Levie on x

  It's very easy to say “we need an FDA for AI” or some equivalent government agency.  Well this is what that would look like... Now, imagine this same process with every country that you're doing business with, globally, for every single model release.  Add in a backlog of dozens …

• @mikeisaac Rat King on x

  havent been in the weeds on this most recent White House vs Anthropic spat but if “pink hair” is a disqualifying factor in determining whether an outside security researcher is legitimate, i am guessing the admin hasnt been to RSA, Black Hat, or any other top security conference

• @quinnypig Corey Quinn on x

  Anthropic “struggles to communicate effectively with the Trump administration.” In fairness, they also struggle to communicate effectively with customers, partners, the barista at the corner store, each other, etc.

• @natpurser Nat Purser on x

  i'd like more clarity on: - what, precisely, amazon told the administration; - what level of risk the alleged jailbreak actually presented; - whether independent cybersecurity researchers agree with amazon's assessment (and if amazon even thought this level of intervention was

• @budowich Taylor Budowich on x

  Anthropic wants you to believe this is a personality or political dispute. It's not. Anthropic abandoned its safety guardrails the moment they became commercially inconvenient. It was so egregious their corporate partner—Amazon—felt compelled to blow the whistle. Now they're

• @binarybits Timothy B. Lee on x

  So do the people who think Anthropic withheld Mythos as a marketing gimmick to pump up Anthropic's IPO think that the US government is doing them a favor by banning Claude Fable as a way to pump up the stock even more? Or that they accidentally duped the US government?

• @kvallier Kevin Vallier on x

  Part of this story pervades American politics: the death of Congress. The executive makes most decisions. Polarization and distrust matter a lot, as a single actor can navigate those conditions better than a large deliberative body. But we need Congress to set policy here.

• @kimmonismus @kimmonismus on x

  New update on Fable 5: and it's less about jailbreaks than anyone initially thought. Via Axios The Axios story that just dropped today reframes the whole thing: Anthropic hired a cybersecurity expert to review Amazon's findings and push back on the government's narrative. The [im…

• @benjamin_horne Ben Horne on x

  This developing story about Dario's failed communications with the White House confirms everything I've ever believed about the enormous power of the Sales Chad. You can be the smartest, most hard working, well-meaning guy around, but if you can't get people to like you, it's [im…

• @kvallier Kevin Vallier on x

  Anthropic's challenge is that it is a liberal organization (in the broad, good sense) dealing with an illiberal administration. A central feature of liberalism is its belief in the importance of reason in politics. And illiberalism (left or right) is often characterized by a

• @elder_plinius @elder_plinius on x

  sooo what happens when we get some Fable-level open-source shit in the next 3-6 months? GPU bans, moving goalposts, or some secret third thing? 🤔

• @garymarcus Gary Marcus on x

  ⚠️⚠️⚠️ wake up! we are no longer in a free society. the extortion of Anthropic was the unofficial end. any company can be forced any time in the U.S. to do any thing. without any input from Congress. the age- and identity- constraints — selectively imposed on Anthropic and

• @pankajkumar_dev Pankaj Kumar on x

  Fable 5 Update: Could It Return This Week? - Anthropic engineers are meeting with Commerce, the CIA, and White House officials to resolve the Fable 5 dispute. - According to Axios, the standoff is now as much about communication and trust as it is about jailbreak concerns. - [ima…

• @justinbullock14 Justin Bullock on x

  There's some rule in DC right now where when you analyze the reasons for why something happens, you have to stop yourself, drop the logic-based reasons, and fully embrace childish-based reasons. Ugh. One really wishes there were more adults in the room.

• @jeffladish Jeffrey Ladish on x

  I think the White House should respond to national security threats quickly, including those posed by model deployments. I'm skeptical Fable is a significant threat, but I think a lot of AI safety people are too quick to condemn the admin here. If they're just targeting Anthropic

• @darrenangle Darren on x

  fable isn't so good they banned it. they just don't like dario / he has no ability to socialize his ideas. you are not banned from the frontier. satya's right tho: what happens next will require ‘social’ permission. [image]

• @_nathancalvin Nathan Calvin on x

  I'm not sure whether the Fable decision was indeed primarily about “personality clashes” as this article details. But these issues are high stakes enough that it seems quite good to have sufficiently legible and transparent rules such that we don't have to wonder!

• @garymarcus Gary Marcus on x

  if you think this shit is ok, you are not paying attention. @scaling01 has a good explanation, and see the quote from @deanwball below. it's absolutely incredibly to me that alleged capitalists like @DavidSacks are ok with this.

• @natpurser Nat Purser on x

  not sure the admin realizes how bad this makes them look. if access to frontier models is being cut off because of jailbreak risk, ok. but saying this was largely driven by “personality differences,” “optics,” whether ant made officials feel sufficiently respected ... i mean. [im…

• @nicoperrino Nico Perrino on x

  Only Republican cybersecurity experts allowed. [image]

• @deanwball Dean W. Ball on x

  AI policy is a really poignant example of just how deeply American civics have been hollowed out. In almost all other areas of tech policy, we have at least some prior law and regulation from which to draw. If you think, as I do, that politics and law are ritual practices through

• @deanwball Dean W. Ball on x

  Precisely as I predicted, the recent cyber EO, which admin officials insisted was not a licensing regime, ends up in practice being a licensing regime.  Forget “voluntary,” forget “permissionless.”  AI is licensed now, but the requirements change constantly and are always a secre…

• @shakeelhashim Shakeel on x

  I have some tiny hope that all this mess will prod Congress into acting — and will also make AI safety advocates realize how urgent it is for Congress to do something. (it's a very, very tiny hope though.)

• @jbsdc Justin Slaughter on x

  @deanwball In fairness, a lot of people who didn't like crypto didn't want it to have rules either, among other reasons for “legitimizing” it. We've lost the idea of policies a positive sum multi round negotiation. It's been replaced by a zero sum struggle for power.

• @akarlin Anatoly Karlin on x

  Big Brains here were posting all kinds of 10D chess theories about Fable withdrawal from genuine security implications to elaborate ploy to safetypill USG. Now we learn it was “personality clashes.” People just do not want to understand the Trump administration and what it is. [i…

• @scaling01 @scaling01 on x

  Anthropic should've asked Le Chaton Fat on how to effectively communicate with the White House. After this report it's very clear that this is something personal and Anthropic just didn't stroke the ego enough of whoever was opposite on that negotiating table.

• @sethbannon Seth Bannon on x

  “officials describe a company that simply doesn't know how to talk to this administration.” Translation: Won't make donations to curry political favors. Hires based on competency, not political party. Refuses to praise dear leader at every opportunity.

• @daniel_mac8 Dan McAteer on x

  Claude Fable is a casualty in the Culture Wars. [image]

• @deanwball Dean W. Ball on x

  Make no mistake: post-Mythos, the United States has a licensing regime for AI. It's just informal, with no consistent rules or firm boundaries on state power or public transparency. Cobalt mining in the Congo is vastly more institutionalized than frontier AI licensing in the US.

• @ai_for_success AshutoshShrivastava on x

  As per Axios, the shutdown of Anthropic's Fable and Mythos was not just about AI safety. Amazon reportedly warned the White House that the models could be jailbroken, but things got worse because Anthropic and the Trump administration were constantly clashing behind the scenes. […

• @thezvi Zvi Mowshowitz on x

  Between Politico and Axios we get a pretty clear picture that this was another case of 'the vibes are off and when we say jump they ask for an explanation rather than how high, so let's blow everything up.' Plus more whining about not getting Dario on the phone fast enough.

• @thdxr Dax on x

  so how does “the white house contacted anthropic” work do they call them on the phone? what phone is it a landline?

• @schizo_freq Lukas on x

  I talked to someone at one of the labs and their theory is that Dario's messaging is exclusively for the AI researchers “He doesn't care about public sentiment because it doesn't matter His only goal is to say things the best ML researchers in the world find appealing, because

• @maxkennerly Max Kennerly on bluesky

  Y'know, considering how everyone with money and power is saying AI is the future, perhaps they should notice the federal gov't forcing a frontier model offline for reasons hovering between a tantrum and coded solicitation of a bribe ('speak our language,' etc).  —  www.axios.com/…

• @stevekovach Steve Kovach on bluesky

  “Communicate” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here  —  I don't see it in Anthropic's culture to give the president a gold statue or make a movie about his wife, as its peers have done.  Anthropic seems to understand Trump won't be president 3 years from now while the others do no…

• @caseynewton Casey Newton on bluesky

  It's true, Anthropic doesn't speak the language of the Trump administration (bestowing golden statues upon the president and buying his memecoin) [embedded post]

• r/technology r on reddit

  The US government's Anthropic models ban was never about an AI jailbreak

• r/singularity r on reddit

  “They screwed us”: Personality clashes sent Anthropic's models offline

• Vox Eric Levitz on x

  Trump just found the worst way to regulate AI

• @austen Austen Allred on x

  The thing about Anthropic warning about massive unemployment, comparing AI to nuclear weapons, and calling for regulation is *they truly believe it.* The issue is that they think they're going to be the ones who determine what will happen if that's all true. And they won't be.

• @rabois Keith Rabois on x

  Maybe the best analysis on the topic.

• @aaronklein Aaron Klein on x

  Ben Thompson nails it: history shows us that benevolent dictators usually lose their benevolence long before they give up the ability to dictate.

• @trashpandaemoji @trashpandaemoji on x

  Ant has great models but you really can't ignore the signals they've been giving off. Open source and open weights have to succeed otherwise we will live in a world where one company can control access to intelligence. [image]

• @thdxr Dax on x

  every time opencode gets posted on HN there's all these idiots who complain about me being mean to anthropic like i have some extremist viewpoint ben is extremely reasonable, very smart and this article understands the ecosystem better most of what i read and he's concerned [imag…

• @xeophon Florian Brand on x

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• @allinallnotbad Samuel Roland on x

  This reveals an astonishingly ill-informed view about the industry if true (which makes me inclined to think this was fully two separate parts of government acting). The AI industry simply doesn't exist in the U.S. without foreign national talent. Banning them would destroy it.

• @deredleritt3r Prinz on x

  Financial Times, quoting a person close to OpenAI: “In recent days, the [AI] industry has been working [with the USG] on ensuring foreign national researchers could continue to work on developing the most advanced models, a practice that the Anthropic directive has now banned.” […

• @shashj Shashank Joshi on x

  Is there an opportunity for Europe to lure away foreign talent or would most AI researchers prefer to work on near-frontier models in a compute rich environment over working unshackled in a more compute-constrained one?

• r/singularity r on reddit

  Top cybersecurity leaders urge US government to unban Mythos.

• @ashwinramaswami Ashwin Ramaswami on x

  To support cyber defenders, ensure security of our critical infrastructure, and maintain America's AI leadership, it's time to #freefable https://freefable.org/

• @k8em0 @k8em0 on x

  I wrote about what was actually in that #Fable guardrail bypass research paper, and why it should never have triggered an #AI model export control. We can't export control our way to cyber resilience. So many tshirt ideas. https://www.lutasecurity.com/ ... [image]

• @insiderphd Katie Paxton-Fear on x

  A lot of people are talking about the export control of Fable and why it was export-control-ed without actually mentioning the person who read the report, so this is straight from the source

• @lefthanddraft Wyatt Walls on x

  David Sacks: “It's difficult to fathom how they could claim a jailbreak allowing operability of a cyber weapon could be defined as not “serious."" I think I fathom it now: [image]

• @miles_brundage Miles Brundage on x

  Sounds like some folks at the WH were unaware Fable has >0 cyber abilities so thought something unsurprising was surprising, Dario rightly thought this was a misunderstanding, no one in govt who knew what was going on was looped in or could stop it, and ppl outside egged it on

• @zackkorman Zack Korman on x

  Security people are signing an open letter asking the US government to remove the export restrictions on Fable/Mythos. I've read it multiple times and I still don't understand the argument. It seems like it's just a friends-of-Anthropic letter. [image]

• @philogroves Philo Groves on x

  Mythos ban doesn't even make sense, it never had the safeguards that were “jailbroken”. Approved defenders are eating sand.

• @firstadopter Tae Kim on x

  “this action has taken the best models away from defenders, created market uncertainty, and risked America's AI leadership without any real risk to justify it.” “We, the undersigned executives and technical leaders from across the United States, write to you to ask you to lift [i…

• Alex Stamos Alex Stamos on linkedin

  I was proud to sign a letter with many of my friends, including Jack, Ashwin, Katie, Chris, Joe, Samantha, Dino, Jim and many others …

• @markriedl Mark Riedl on bluesky

  Analysis of the jailbreak of Fable by someone who was asked to review the report.  Indicates that the jailbreak allowed Fable to find deliberately planted vulnerabilities in test code that other models could find without jailbreak.  Prompts were defensive in nature www.lutasecuri…