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• @sino_market @sino_market on x

  🇨🇳Huawei Unveils New Chip Design Approach to Challenge Global Leaders Huawei Technologies said it has developed a new chip design principle called the “Tau Scaling Law,” also referred to internally as “Her's Law,” aimed at advancing semiconductor performance beyond the limits of …

• @alex_intel_ Alex on x

  @jukan05 It's just SMIC node with promotion from the state

• @jukan05 Jukan on x

  @Alex_Intel_ It seems they are calling it that because it delivers performance equivalent to a 1.4nm-class chip.

• @anshelsag Anshel Sag on x

  @AndrewCurran_ Huawei has made similar grandiose claims in the past. I will wait for them to actually show their work before we believe them.

• @andrewcurran_ Andrew Curran on x

  Huawei says it has made a breakthrough and expects to design high-end chips with transistor density equivalent to 1.4 nm processes by 2031. [image]

• @anshelsag Anshel Sag on x

  None of Huawei's magical chip breakthroughs have actually been scalable. The whole thing with the semiconductor industry is that anything you figure out has to scale to billions of chips; the economics simply don't work out. 14A by 2031 is beyond ambitious, especially considering…

• @jeffreytowson Jeffrey Towson on x

  HUAWEI'S ENGINEERS PUSH HIGH-TECH LIMITS IN CONSUMER ELECTRONICS I recently went to the huawei consumer product innovation forum in Bangkok. Here are my takeaways. 1: Huawei does continuous hardware innovation across multiple device types. This enables proprietary features

• @jukan05 Jukan on x

  Logic folding appears to refer to hybrid bonding. [image]

• r/hardware r on reddit

  HUAWEI Presents the Tau (τ) Scaling Law, Enabling Breakthroughs in Transistor Density and System Performance

• r/hardware r on reddit

  HUAWEI Presents the Tau (τ) Scaling Law, Enabling Breakthroughs in Transistor Density and System Performance

• @kyleichan Kyle Chan on x

  It obviously matters that Huawei announced this in English at a major international scientific conference. They're trying to send a message to the US that Huawei (and China) are basically able to make progress despite export controls. So take that for what it's worth.

• @jukan05 Jukan on x

  Huawei's latest announcement carries real significance, because China has, in effect, shown the direction in which advanced technology needs to move. And it has done so in cutting-edge semiconductors, no less. China has long been a follower. In semiconductors, Western technology …

• @samirkhazaka Samir Khazaka on x

  Huawei's latest Tau Scaling and LogicFolding push fits the bigger story. This is not just China trying to catch up node by node. It is Huawei trying to work around manufacturing constraints through architecture, interconnect, packaging, and full-stack optimization across Kirin,

• @vikramskr Vikram Sekar on x

  Tau scaling law seems nothing different than what Jensen has been calling Extreme Codesign via improvements in software, advanced packaging, and optimizations across the stack. It might as well be called “squeezing out performance in other areas because we cant get better

• @dnystedt Dan Nystedt on x

  Big claims, but no major technical breakthrough detailed here. Great marketing and a warning to TSMC, Samsung to make sure Huawei hasn't tricked them into manufacturing advanced chips again. $TSM $SSNLF

• @huawei @huawei on x

  HUAWEI has presented the Tau (τ) Scaling Law, a new principle for guiding the future development of the semiconductor industry. By 2031, HUAWEI's high-end chips based on this law are expected to feature a transistor density that is equivalent to 14 Å (1.4 nm) processes.

• @zephyr_z9 @zephyr_z9 on x

  A lot of people seem to think that Huawei has side-stepped EUV and developed a method to scale to 1.4nm without it But as u can see from their graph, a huge density & clock speed jump happens between 2030 & 2031 After the 2019 sanctions, Huawei started project Mount Everest in [i…

• @rnaudbertrand Arnaud Bertrand on x

  This is pretty insane: the U.S. just tried to literally re-colonize part of the Philippines. They did so under the so-called “Pax Silica” initiative, the brainchild of - surprise, surprise - an ex-Palantir guy named Jacob Helberg who now runs U.S. economic “diplomacy” from the [i…

• @kimmonismus @kimmonismus on x

  Chinas Huawei can't access EUV. So they wrote their own scaling law. The leverage of US export controls erodes. Huawei just presented the Tau (τ) Scaling Law at IEEE ISCAS, a framework that replaces geometric transistor scaling with time-based optimization across devices, [image]

• @lithos_graphein @lithos_graphein on x

  First Jensen said Moore's Law is dead, now Huawei piles on. These words cut like knives. [image]

• @zephyr_z9 @zephyr_z9 on x

  Simple explanation: It's an advanced variant of 3D stacking with smart wire placement and shorter critical path wires [image]

• @sdmat123 @sdmat123 on x

  The major players are perfectly capable of stacking silicon, and they use stacking in SOTA products (e.g. AMD V-Cache). However, they don't do fine-grained logic stacking - “folding” in Huawei's terminology. The reason for this isn't because the concept didn't occur to anyone;

• @zephyr_z9 @zephyr_z9 on x

  Very impressive roadmap 2026 will be a big density jump for them and good enough for most advanced AI chips [image]

• @zephyr_z9 @zephyr_z9 on x

  BIG HUAWEI will be adopting NPO and full optical scale up this year No DSPs ;) [image]

• @kakashiii111 @kakashiii111 on x

  It's important to follow and listen to what Huawei says and to track its progress, as its ambitions and budget are unlike those of almost any other company in the world. However, it's also important to remember that Huawei claimed it had achieved a breakthrough in 5nm when, in

• @huawei @huawei on x

  HUAWEI's He Tingbo presents a sustainable evolutionary path for semiconductors enabled by shifting from geometric to time scaling, delivering benefits across the industry as a whole. [video]

• @zephyr_z9 @zephyr_z9 on x

  Huawei is pushing hybrid bonding to the extreme The success of their “tau scaling” depends on the HB contact acting as a damn good intra-circuit routing layer and not just package I/O. This is the biggest innovation here and what separates their tech from normal 3D stacking The […

• @huawei @huawei on x

  With HUAWEI Kirin 2026 launching later this year, HUAWEI's He Tingbo showcases the big leap ahead for semiconductors supported by LogicFolding. [video]

• @teortaxestex @teortaxestex on x

  the funniest thing about it all is that the US has basically IMPOSED Faustian spirit on China. Infra flexes aside, they were content selling labubus, grinding gachas, fabbing SoCs on TSMC. Battles for Hegemony, the desperate race to the AGI God - it didn't come naturally to them.…

• @rtodi Rahul Todi on x

  Necessity is the mother of all inventions. China keeps pushing the boundaries and punching above the waist. Huawei aims to design high-end chips by 2031 with transistor density equivalent to 1.4 nm processes—close to the expected global frontier by the end of the decade. This

• @himanshustwts Himanshu on x

  this is too big to be true but very interesting if you review the history of Huawei, at one point they were already dominating Samsung and nearly overtook Apple before the trade war if history repeats itself, China makes a bunch of “cheap” chips and they have rare earth

• @zephyr_z9 @zephyr_z9 on x

  Looks like it's quite different from that They are not just stacking chips on top of each other Very clever chip design from Huawei SkyBridge basically takes advantage of the lower resistance offered by the top metal layers They are folding & connecting the critical data [image]

• @bubbleboi Bubble Boi on x

  Huawei just told us they are going to make application specific chips and the world has lost their marbles lmao.

• @gonglei89 Lei Gong on x

  Seems Huawei wants to shift the rubric for logic performance gain from number of switches you can fit into an area (transistor density) into amount of signals you can fit into a unit of time (presumably for a fixed energy input). There may be photonic computing subtext here too.

• r/hardware r on reddit

  HUAWEI Presents the Tau (τ) Scaling Law, Enabling Breakthroughs in Transistor Density and System Performance

• @pontifex Pope Leo Xiv on x

  In the era of #ArtificialIntelligence, when human dignity is threatened by new forms of dehumanization, ours is the pressing duty to remain profoundly human. We must lovingly safeguard the grandeur of humanity bestowed upon us and revealed in its fullness in Christ, the splendor

• @shangguanjiewen @shangguanjiewen on x

  Chip War is Over Folks: China Predicably Won While Washington tries to choke China's tech rise with export bans, Huawei just flipped the script with pure genius. Forget obsessing over tiny transistors, Huawei's new Tau Scaling Law slashes the time signals and data rip through [im…

• @iancutress @iancutress on x

  Doesn't look like a huge breakthrough. They're using a technique that's expected to be done by everyone - because they can't scale litho, they've accelerated other parts of the roadmap. Logic splitting is best shown in AMD's 2021 roadmap. It requires tight pitch TSVs and best in …

• @henrysgao Henry Gao on x

  Huawei has just announced that it's giving up on catching up with the latest US chips.

• @angelicaoung Angelica on x

  THE PARADOX OF SANCTIONS You know what they always say about the Chinese...they're not truly innovative. So why is it when you throw a sanctions barrier in their way, all of a sudden, they innovate just fine? Some say the Huawei announcement was just a PR breakthrough but

• @barrettyoutube Barrett on x

  For years, the narrative coming from the West was that US sanctions would cripple Huawei and stop China's semiconductor ambitions. Instead, Huawei appears to have responded by developing an entirely new path forward. According to Huawei, its new τ (Tau) Scaling Law, nicknamed

• @geekparkhq @geekparkhq on x

  Huawei putting 14A-equivalent by 2031 on the record is one thing. The more interesting part is the trail behind it: 381 chips already touched by this approach, plus a new Kirin checkpoint coming this fall. If that stack keeps working, sanctions may wind up producing a different