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Interview with Facebook ad exec Graham Mudd on Facebook's plans to enhance privacy in its ads, regulation, Apple's ad tracking prompt, Google's FLoC, and more

The Verge Alex Heath

Context & Ripple Effects

This interview lands mid-arc in a fight that has been escalating for a year: Apple put its own advertising on by default in iOS 14 while forcing everyone else to ask permission to track, and by December the ad industry was openly bracing for the IDFA changes with new targeting workarounds. By early 2021 the conflict was framed as existential — analyst Eric Seufert argued Apple's privacy push threatened businesses built on targeted ads — and Facebook's response here is a public-relations countermove: an ad executive arguing the company can enhance privacy inside its own ads while questioning Apple's prompt and Google's FLoC alternative.

What makes the timing matter is that the financial damage was already visible on the horizon. Weeks after this interview, Facebook reported strong Q3 ad revenue growth but warned of continued headwinds from ATT, and reporting showed limits on its targeting were raising brand ad spends and pushing some advertisers toward Google. Mudd is effectively making Facebook's case before the numbers land.

First-order effects

Second-order effects

  • Google's FLoC becomes both a foil and a potential ally — Facebook engaging with it signals that platform-built cohort alternatives are now the battleground where displaced third-party tracking demand settles.
  • The permission asymmetry Apple set up — exempting its own ad business from the prompt it imposes on rivals — gives Facebook a concrete grievance to organize advertisers around, echoing how GDPR-era cost increases drove advertisers to re-examine their Facebook commitments.

Third-order effects

  • If the pattern holds, mobile advertising structurally splits between platforms rich in first-party data (Apple, Google, Facebook itself) and everyone else dependent on rented identifiers, concentrating ad budgets further into walled gardens.
  • Regulators gain precedent either way: whether privacy-enhanced ad techniques satisfy policymakers or prompt-style consent spreads beyond Apple determines whether consent architecture becomes the default regulatory template.

The trend: Mobile advertising is consolidating around platforms that control both the operating system and the identity layer, with consent prompts and first-party alternatives deciding who keeps targeting power.

Discussion

  • @eric_seufert Eric Seufert on x
    One consequence of FB's diminished targeting effectiveness that Im seeing manifest in real time is that smaller cos need to operate across more channels to deploy the same budget. More channels = more overhead, more analytical complexity. A new hurdle to early-stage growth (1/X)
  • @vinnyflood Vincent Flood on x
    Have I missed any news on Amazon's privacy strategy? Great stories by @Digiday and @verge today on Google and FB's moves, but how will Amazon's ad business adapt to a privacy-first world?
  • @reckless Nilay Patel on x
    Facebook turning into a shopping mall definitely accelerating because of ad tracking changes on iOS — if you never leave Facebook, you don't need to be tracked. Good interview with @alexeheath and Facebook ad exec Graham Mudd: https://www.theverge.com/... https://twitter.com/...
  • @alexeheath Alex Heath on x
    A big effort is underway inside Facebook to rebuild how its ads work. The goal is for Facebook and its advertisers to know a lot less about users. Ironically, some of the techniques Facebook is working on are already used by Apple. https://www.theverge.com/...
  • @astaniscia86 Giulio S. on x
    Facebook is exploring “on-device learning.” Instead of sending data about users to the cloud, an algorithm runs locally on a phone to determine the kinds of ads someone would find compelling and then show them said ads. https://www.theverge.com/... https://twitter.com/...
  • @antoniogm Antonio García Martínez on x
    @paulg @eric_seufert @Dominic2306 Apple doesn't let companies (even FB) track users at the individual level without a user opt-in, which means the granularity of everything—targeting, who saw which ad when?, etc.—diminishes significantly. Which means FB's users must be modeled wi…
  • @eric_seufert Eric Seufert on x
    2/ Previously, a startup could operate exclusively on FB to reach breakout scale and possibly beyond (this wasnt without downsides, as per the link). Startups could focus on product without building a mktg org. Not the case in the new ATT environment https://mobiledevmemo.com/...
  • @mattprd @mattprd on x
    Will be interesting to see how Facebook and others adapt to Apple & Google's data changes. No matter what, the best course of action for any brand is to triple down on building customer relationships and collecting personalization data that you own. https://www.theverge.com/...
  • @alextcone Alex Cone on x
    I'm excited to see what @Facebook comes up with. Lots of caring, thoughtful people over there. https://twitter.com/...
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    @eric_seufert @Dominic2306 Why is their targeting effectiveness diminished? (@antoniogm?)
  • @jason_kint Jason Kint on x
    I'm calling BS on this. What you have here is Facebook realizing it failed to stop Apple and needs to buy time- what Google has done last two years - by suggesting future change. They've lost on 3P data and need to protect data between their gatekeepers(WhatsApp, blue, IG). 1/3 h…
  • @eric_seufert Eric Seufert on x
    6/ FB was essentially the MVP growth engine for startups broadly. With FB less capably routing the most relevant users to products effortlessly through Ads Manager tools, achieving provable scale becomes harder and more expensive for startups https://mobiledevmemo.com/...
  • @danielpearson Daniel Pearson on x
    @eric_seufert This is a tricky one because very early stage is now penalized even more from low scale on FB. Not driving >150 conversions per week per campaign is basically an algorithmic dead zone. So, for some startups, they need to diversify AND concentrate their tactics withi…
  • @carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x
    Another perspective on Apple's ATT change kingmaking Amazon is this article claiming some advertisers have branched out from Facebook to Amazon seeking better ROI on their ads. As @eric_seufert has argued, ATT has kicked off the rise of content fortresses https://www.bloomberg.co…
  • @lanceulanoff Lance Ulanoff on x
    Curious if this is an extremely proactive move or one that's responding to incremental ad performance reductions due to millions of people using iOS14 to opt-out of tracking https://www.theverge.com/...
  • @swodinsky Shoshana Wodinsky on x
    lol in all seriousness though im trying to parse apart anything novel or newsworthy in this interview, but it is extremely boring. the only thing worth taking away imo is this update on fb's (hella preliminary) multi-party computation tests https://www.facebook.com/...
  • @moonalice Roger McNamee on x
    Let's wait and see what (if anything) FB produces before getting excited. https://twitter.com/...
  • @carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x
    Advertising system effectiveness comes from learning which ads lead people to buy things. On Amazon you see the ads and buy items on their site. For FB & Google you buy the items elsewhere so there needs to be a way for the retailer to tell them which ads drove sales. https://twi…
  • @carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x
    Privacy rules that prevent companies from sharing data about whether an ad on one site led to a sale on another effectively favors platforms like Amazon where the ad and the sale are on the same site. Google & FB now have to evolve but not Amazon who has now been made king👑 .
  • @carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x
    Apple's ATT changes have had the predicted negative effects on small advertisers on iOS. Funny enough, with the increased scrutiny of the company it's actual a bad look that they unilaterally tanked an entire ecosystem of companies to score points in a big tech dunk contest. http…
  • @kevinbankston Kevin Bankston on x
    Posting this not to brag on FB—proof will be in the pudding, over several years—but to highlight how continued external privacy advocacy & policymaker action can make a huge difference in the company's basic direction. Keep holding our feet to the fire! https://www.theverge.com/.…
  • @alexeheath Alex Heath on x
    Super app era in the western world is here, and it is driven by ad tech lol https://twitter.com/...
  • @willoremus Will Oremus on x
    does this imply that facebook's last highly publicized pivot to privacy was not very meaningful? https://twitter.com/...
  • @alexvoica Alexandru Voica on x
    Today we're sharing more details about how we are approaching the next era of personalized experiences and building a portfolio of privacy-enhancing technologies: https://www.facebook.com/...
  • @benedictevans Benedict Evans on x
    Tectonic plates continue to shift. https://www.facebook.com/...
  • @eric_seufert Eric Seufert on x
    Facebook is re-architecting its ads infrastructure against a changing privacy landscape https://www.theverge.com/...
  • @chrismessina Chris Messina on x
    Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 15,476 times, shame on you. https://twitter.com/...