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An in-depth look at Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 865 and 765 chips, and why Snapdragon 865 does not come with an integrated 5G modem

We're here in Maui for the second day of Qualcomm's fourth annual Snapdragon summit, for what is probably the most exciting part of the event …

AnandTech Andrei Frumusanu

Context & Ripple Effects

Qualcomm's flagship cadence has been building toward this fork for two years: the Snapdragon 855 shipped with the X24 modem, which was explicitly not 5G-capable, so 5G on 2019 flagships was always going to be a bolt-on question. The 865 announcement answered it in an unexpected way — the top chip stays external-modem-only while the cheaper 765 gets 5G integrated.

That inversion matters because integration normally starts at the flagship and trickles down. AnandTech's deep dive explains why Qualcomm split the lineup this way, and the follow-through came fast: the next-generation Snapdragon 888 arrived with an integrated modem covering both mmWave and sub-6GHz, making the 865's external design look like a one-year bridge.

First-order effects

  • Phone makers that want Snapdragon 865 performance must also buy and board the companion 5G modem, adding cost and board space to every flagship design, while mid-tier OEMs get integrated 5G more cheaply through the 765.

Second-order effects

  • Qualcomm effectively prices 5G into its flagship tier via the modem pairing rather than the processor, giving rivals pitching fully integrated 5G chips a cost argument against the 865 platform.

Third-order effects

  • The split lineup proved transitional: within a year Qualcomm folded the modem into the flagship with the 888, so the durable lesson is that discrete modems survive only until the process node allows integration — after which external 5G becomes a premium-tax position rather than a technical necessity.

The trend: Cellular modems are moving from discrete companion chips to integrated silicon as each flagship generation lands, with Qualcomm's 865-to-888 sequence marking the crossover.

Discussion

  • @ryansmithat Ryan Smith on x
    No kidding, when @andreif7 told me that the SD865 didn't have an integrated modem, I thought he was pranking me. QC has some interesting reasons for going this route though; but it'll definitely make for an usual year of flagship phones in 2020 https://twitter.com/...
  • @whatthebit Stefan Constantine on x
    “They've abandoned customizations on the CPU core itself.” Old enough to remember when $QCOM designed their own CPU cores and they whipped ARM's designs. ::audible sigh:: https://www.anandtech.com/...
  • @rdrv3 David Ruddock on x
    The biggest everyday use case advancement, IMO, you'll find in Qualcomm's Snapdragon 865 is going to be in the camera. Qualcomm completely rearchitectured its Spectra ISP to be WAY faster and WAY more efficient. Also it can shoot 8K video. https://www.androidpolice.com/ ...
  • @markhachman Mark Hachman on x
    Snapdragon 800 supported 21 megapixel stills; 865 supports 200 Mpixel still images/photos. Christopher Patrick talking about the dev cycle. #SnapdragonSummit pic.twitter.com/XNFreUYuY9
  • @horwitz Jeremy Horwitz on x
    The timeline for development of @Qualcomm Snapdragon 865 took place at time when Nintendo Switch and Tesla Model 3 were new, and yet the capabilities that are coming today address all sorts of cutting edge features. 200+ Megapixel still images, 5G, 8K video. #snapdragonsummit pi…
  • @horwitz Jeremy Horwitz on x
    At #snapdragonsummit , @Qualcomm notes that the company will be focusing on XR tomorrow, and notes that it will be talking about handheld gaming amongst other things today. It finalized the Snapdragon 865 two years ago, started working on the IP three years ago.