Trump supports H-1B visas, saying “I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H-1B”, siding with Musk in the MAGA debate on the issue

President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers …

New York Post 2024-12-29 Jon Levine

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@juddlegum Judd Legum on bluesky
Trump, DECEMBER 28, 2024: “I have always been in favor of the visas... I've been a believer in H-1B... It's a great program” — Trump, MARCH 15, 2016: “I know the H1B very well... We shouldn't have it. Very, very bad for workers... it's unfair for our workers. And we should en…
@brianfung.me Brian Fung on bluesky
Trump claims to have sponsored “many H-1Bs visas on my properties,” but I just did a five-minute search on USCIS's employer data hub — covering H-1B petitions from FY2009-2024 — and I wasn't able to find Trump or his largest businesses on it. www.uscis.gov/tools/report... [embed…
@helenkennedy Helen Kennedy on bluesky
I've been predicting that Trump would side with his racist “Indians are smelly” MAGA horde over Musk and Ramaswamy in the right wing civil war over tech visas, but it looks like I may have been mistaken. — nypost.com/2024/12/28/u...
@romitmehta.com Romit Mehta on bluesky
He. Follows. The. Money. — Always. [embedded post]
@sagaciousai @sagaciousai on bluesky
Just another form of slave labor no surprise here
@crazysaguaro.com @crazysaguaro.com on bluesky
The ones Trump uses at his properties are H2B (unskilled). 😅
@jsargentr Jill Sargent Russell, PhD on bluesky
This will be interesting. [embedded post]
@brianmwise @brianmwise on bluesky
He's also had a bunch of illegal immigrants working for him on absolutely every single property he owns, and uses contracting companies that are known for it to create a false layer of insulation for his MAGAT followers. — Multiple articles & ICE raids going back to 1980s NYC. …
@samsteindc Sam Stein on bluesky
Trump, when in doubt, has often sided with his rich benefactors — nypost.com/2024/12/28/u...
@marcslove Marc Love on threads
Not just H1B's but immigrants in general have been America's superpower for generations. This is not an opinion, it's a verifiable fact. For over a century, the world's greatest minds and innovators have been drawn to the promise of America's opportunity and have made our econo…
@pstomlinson Patrick Tomlinson on threads
H-1B visas and Mexican immigrants are the same phenomenon. People from impoverished countries coming to America to do the same job for less money than any American would accept. It's the already rich getting even richer by bringing in people they don't need to pay fairly.
@carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on threads
In a rational world, Trump and Elon being aligned that America needs H-1Bs because American workers aren't skilled enough would be a red pill moment for MAGA as they realize the GOP is hollowing out the education system then saying their kids are not good enough to compete. …
@ronaldfilipkowski Ron Filipkowski on threads
So basically the Trump Admin's immigration policy is to increase the number of people from other countries who come in and take high-skilled, high paying American jobs, while deporting everyone else doing physically grueling jobs for shit wages?
@tomgara Tom Gara on threads
This is basically the Hillbilly Elegy critique of rural whites, and JD Vance just fully walked it back in favor of racial grievance politics when he realized which way the wind was blowing. Which is why JD is now vice president and Vivek is now a reply guy
@ingathewriter Inga Gardner on threads
So, just to be clear, Musk is admitting to H1B visa fraud here. Employees are supposed to demonstrate that they cannot find employees that can do the work within the existing population before being granted visas. The program is explicitly not to be used simply to undercut the …
@chancerydaily @chancerydaily on threads
truly don't know if I've ever seen people I hate more say things I could disagree with less
@ronaldfilipkowski Ron Filipkowski on threads
Elon's telling us the H1Bs are all super geniuses while Trump is telling us they are cutting his grass.
@anthonysarchiv @anthonysarchiv on threads
BREAKING: Donald Trump has told NYP that he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk. “I've always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That's why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B prog…
@paul_rietschka Paul Rietschka on threads
Trump has truly lost a step. Old Trump would've immediately recognized a way to capitalize on this with his cult by doubling down on the racism, announcing an extension of the pogrom he's planning to include HB1 visa holders, and then issuing some garbage fantasy about how Ameri…
@vantazach Zach on threads
See, the racism Elon and his employee/fans promote is cheeky and fun, but the TradMAGA racism is cruel and tragic.
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
@stevenmackeyman The reason I'm in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B. Take a big step back and FUCK YOURSELF in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which …
@gavinnewsom Gavin Newsom on x
.@ElonMusk is right when he said: “you need to recruit top talent wherever they may be.” The same principle should apply to supporting our farmworkers, construction, and trades workers who build and feed our country. Top talent is top talent.
@acnewsitics Alex Cole on x
I agree with Musk, many people in the Republican Party are hateful racists. [image]
@teroterotero Tero Kuittinen on x
@levie You do know he is lying again, right? He does not have HB1 visa employees on his properties. They belong to a different visa category of seasonal, low income workers. Why would you amplify this lie?
@vkhosla Vinod Khosla on x
The immigrant driven Silicon Valley startup ecosystem is the envy of the world. If I remember some research from Berkley, something close to 40% of startups have immigrant founders. Where would we with them starting companies in Bangalore, Shanghai, Tel Aviv or Estonia?
@suitablepolitic Derek on x
By the way, Trump's position on this was clear for about 8 years. I only wish he continued silence so I could keep up my bit. H-1B rejections spiked substantially in his term because it gets abused. He made no move while POTUS to pressure Congress to abolish it.
@mattyglesias Matthew Yglesias on x
You're not going to get this done on a party-like vote because obviously *some* GOP members are fanatical nativists, but Trump can sell his base on this (just like it was Obama who set deportation records).
@kenbensinger Ken Bensinger on x
We first noted this in 2015. Note it's all H-2 workers https://www.buzzfeednews.com/ ...
@usa_polling @usa_polling on x
LMAO the big man took a side Now we see if they fall in line
@radishharmers Sridhar Ramesh on x
My hatred for Elon Musk is so unwavering, I'm starting to think Indian tech workers do need to take their shitskin asses back to their own country.
@sunnyright Sunny on x
We're about to find out why Trump using H-1B visas extensively is totally different and okay in a highly nuanced way you just don't understand
@daralderson @daralderson on x
It's not just Elon and Vivek who think Americans aren't intellectual and hard working enough to be hired. For YEARS Donald Trump has only hired foreign workers to work at Mar-A-Lago & his golf courses. So MAGA...seems like “America First” was just a phony campaign slogan 🤷🏼‍♀️ [i…
@levie Aaron Levie on x
Trump just came out in full support of H-1Bs [image]
@frankluntz Frank Luntz on x
Trump takes Elon's side of immigration visa debate: “I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It's a great program.” https://nypost.com/...
@richardhanania Richard Hanania on x
You should see all the Indian groupchats I just got added to right now.
@levinejonathan Jon Levine on x
NEW from me President Trump tells me he supports H-1B visas calling it “a great program” and adds “I have many H-1B visas on my properties” https://nypost.com/...
@rpsagainsttrump @rpsagainsttrump on x
Steve Bannon on Musk: “This is why he never goes after the CCP...Elon Musk is a total and complete phony...He is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Chinese Communist Party, and he acts like it.” (March 2023) [video]
@afpost AF Post on x
This should not come as a surprise considering Trump pledged to increase legal immigration throughout his 2024 presidential campaign. In 2016, he opposed the H-1B visa program, on the grounds that it undercut American workers. During his first term, he imposed stricter rules on […
@johncardillo John Cardillo on x
In supporting H-1B caps being raised by saying “I have many H-1B visas on my properties,” Trump said the quiet part out loud. Those aren't tech genius jobs. This has nothing to do with the .0001 of exceptional talent. It's about undercutting Americans for cheaper labor.
@disclosetv @disclosetv on x
JUST IN - Trump supports Musk, Ramaswamy on H-1B visas, says he uses them himself — NY Post [image]
@jamesamcghee James on x
@LevineJonathan What jobs did he say these H-1B visa holders have at his properties? Those jobs aren't mentioned in the story, but it's unclear what specialized knowledge field would require many visa holders at a hotel or golf course.
@vikhyatk Vik on x
My SAT score was 2370 and I didn't get into MIT because of structural discrimination against Pokemon characters. Had to settle for Yale.
@gunnelswarren Warren Gunnels on x
The problem is not the H-1B guest worker from India or the tomato picker from Guatemala. The problem is the oligarchs who became billionaires by exploiting workers, suppressing wages & shipping jobs abroad. Billionaires want you to wage a culture war while they win the class war.
@kylamb8 Kyle Lamb on x
Trump in 2016: “The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay.” [image]
@slatzism @slatzism on x
At risk of getting yeeted for QRTing the King, I think his post here gets to the very crux of the debate. When someone invokes Nikola Tesla as an example of why immigration is good, they are communicating a belief that immigration can uniformly produce the same results... As
@chesschick01 Natalie F Danelishen on x
Trump backs @elonmusk on H-1B visas: “I've always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That's why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations. “I have many [image…
@samstein Sam Stein on x
Trump, who as president issued an order temporarily suspending new work visas, now says he likes H1b visas. Why the change? Musk one ask? https://nypost.com/...
@danieldimartino Daniel Di Martino on x
If I'm not mistaken, Melania Trump came to America as a model under the subcategory of the H-1B visa called H-1B3 for fashion models. [image]
@harryjsisson Harry Sisson on x
WOW! Donald Trump just took the side of Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy on the H-1B visas and gave the middle finger to millions of his supporters. MAGA civil war continues to get worse🍿
@kenbensinger Ken Bensinger on x
Wondering if Trump actually means H-2B visas, which are for unskilled workers and which Trump has been using for years, as documented by @jvgarrison @jsvine and me numerous times (see below) Trump staffs his resorts with H-2B gardeners, waitstaff, etc NOT H-1B engineers etc
@jason @jason on x
There are plenty of valid criticisms of the H1B visa program that should be considered to improve it. The most significant change is that you should be able to transfer your H1B to another company within, say, six or 12 months. This would remove the “indentured servants”
@emeriticus Pedro L. Gonzalez on x
Like I've said, Trump agrees with Musk on immigration more than he agrees with his base and certainly more than his staunchest online/anon supporters. “I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It's a great program.” [image]
@af_insight @af_insight on x
Donald J Trump 2016 on H-1B Visas “We believe jobs must be offered to American workers first” [video]
@vkhosla Vinod Khosla on x
Remember, these same US companies , with less regulation, can hire the same talent overseas at lower wages instead of hiring US workers. They want talent, irrespective of national origin. And the follow-on startups will happen there not here. Startup employees are often
@gundamnocontext @gundamnocontext on x
This is literally how these people think; they think you should work long hours, you should work holidays, you should never go on vacation, you should come into work sick, you should spend this sole, single, most valuable and coveted life of your's as a whipped dog. [image]
@jason_pontin Jason Pontin on x
Let's bring the next 10 or 20 Vinods to the US. But it's not just future Vinods—the top 0.1%, as Vinod himself says (or, the top 0.001% to give Vinod his due). Bring the top 1% or even top 5%. We've room enough, and they will become law-abiding, productive, high-consuming
@rpsagainsttrump @rpsagainsttrump on x
NEW: Donald Trump, in an interview with The New York Post, expressed support for immigration visas for highly skilled workers, aligning with Elon Musk in the ongoing MAGA civil war over the issue. “I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H-1B. I have [ima…
@artcandee Art Candee on x
When he was in office, Donald Trump signed an executive order suspending companies from issuing new H-1B visas to hire foreign nationals during the pandemic. Now his boss, Elon Musk, wants to ensure that doesn't happen again so he can continue to hire cheaper indentured
@internethippo @internethippo on x
They've both gone woke
@metzgov Bryan Metzger on x
Trump sides with Elon Musk and the tech right over H-1B visas [image]
@danprimack Dan Primack on x
How things change... Trump in 2016: “The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration... I will end forever the use of the H-1B” https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ ...
@vkhosla Vinod Khosla on x
We need to get well beyond the 0.1%. More technical talent means more regular jobs created in the US. As @om wrote about me: “In the 24 years he has spent in the United States he has helped create 40 companies, business which have produced a total of 150 billion in market value.
@harjtaggar Harj Taggar on x
If the right expunge their crazies and the left have to follow suit, then maybe we could dream of a center left vs center right election in 2028.
@mattyglesias Matthew Yglesias on x
I think this is wrong. It makes sense for Trump to proceed with caution when advancing right-wing policy (like abortion restrictions) but if he and Musk want to loudly champion expanded legal immigration they can carry the day — it'll just require working with some Democrats.
@mattyglesias Matthew Yglesias on x
I think Trump is misstating the situation when he says he has many H-1B visa holders on his properties, though. The situation as I understand it is that he employs H-2B non-agricultural seasonal workers. https://davieslegal.com/...
@realbootyeater @realbootyeater on x
Trump supports H-1B and taking jobs from hardworking Americans! Whoooo caaaares if those Americans are some of the stupidest sons of bitches we've ever heard open their mouths. If smart Indian Immigrants can do the job, surely Trump's poorly educated can do it, too.
@stclairashley Ashley St. Clair on x
Trump said he has “tons of H1B workers” on his properties His property workers have J1 visas. Jon Levine is an idiot & hack for calling Trump with no context and zero follow-up questions. Made a disaster PR cycle when this isn't even Trump's position.
@stclairashley Ashley St. Clair on x
Disastrous response.
@ianwcrosby Ian Crosby on x
1/8 I'm very sad today to see that @Bench has shut down. I've avoided speaking publicly about Bench since just over 3 years ago when I was fired from the company I co-founded. I still don't have a lot of appetite to talk about it tbh, but think at least a short statement is
@zsk Zoe Kleinman on x
Oof. The sudden closure of Bench, an accountancy software platform, leaves 35,000 US businesses in a scramble. The firm is suggesting they contact the IRS to ask for extensions on tax deadlines. Founder Ian Crosby says he was fired from the firm after disagreeing with its new
r/FluentInFinance r on reddit
President Musk will flood our work force with H1- B workers
r/EatTheRich r on reddit
President Musk will flood our work force with H1- B workers
r/ABCDesis r on reddit
Donald Trump backs H-1B visa program supported by Elon Musk
r/Law_and_Politics r on reddit
Taking sides in the exploding MAGA civil war, Trump backs H-1B visa program supported by Musk and Ramaswamy
r/stupidpol r on reddit
Trump supports immigration visas backed by Musk: ‘I have many H-1B visas on my properties’
r/Conservative r on reddit
Exclusive | Donald Trump backs H-1B visa program supported by Elon Musk
r/DemocraticSocialism r on reddit
Trump supports immigration visas backed by Musk: ‘I have many H-1B visas on my properties’
r/neoliberal r on reddit
Exclusive | Donald Trump backs H-1B visa program supported by Elon Musk
r/AnythingGoesNews r on reddit
BREAKING: Trump supports immigration visas backed by Musk: ‘I have many H-1B visas on my properties’
r/politics r on reddit
Trump supports immigration visas backed by Musk: ‘I have many H-1B visas on my properties’
r/Destiny r on reddit
President Musk wins the H1B debate
@alpenglowdreams @alpenglowdreams on bluesky
It's “tech bro billionaires who want an educated but low cost and compliant work force maga” vs “old school christofacist maga” civil war and I'm loving it...hopefully the maga infighting will limit the damage the can do to the rest of us — newrepublic.com/post/189694/ ...
@marcello65 Marcello Ruffini on bluesky
The MAGA Wars, Part 1: Oligarchs v Racists — (wankers, the lot of them) — newrepublic.com/post/189694/ ...
@pcrritesgood @pcrritesgood on bluesky
Of course the MAGA billionaires like the H1B visas because it is a sort of indentured servitude and they have a ton of power of those employees. — If you get fired when you have skills you can find a new job, but not if you lose your visa.
@anildash.com Anil Dash on bluesky
Twitter today would literally not run if not for workers who are essentially H1B hostages. [embedded post]
@rmac Ryan Mac on bluesky
This is the supreme irony of the MAGA schism over H-1Bs. Many workers who stayed at Twitter after Musk's takeover did so because their status in the US was contingent on their employment. They kept a site running that was then used by MAGA folks to question why they were here i…
@zombiscribe Megan E. Zombi on bluesky
I honestly thought that Musk taking over Twitter established how vulnerable H1B workers were. Like I will admit total ignorance before that but we got so many articles about H1B employees being stuck and why while there was a mass exodus
@mergesort.me Joe Fabisevich on bluesky
Mmm, I sure don't hate all these people learning firsthand why it was actually hard to run Twitter with every possible faction screaming at you about bias simultaneously. [embedded post]
@attorneynora Nora Benavidez on bluesky
Too bad these folks dislike free expression for all. Otherwise I'd say the stripping of their Twitter verification is an anemic corporate bully action motivated by a desire to retaliate against speech Musk doesn't like. #freespeech #firstamendment www.mediaite.com/tech/elon-mu..…
@wajali Wajahat Ali on bluesky
Glad MAGA voters are hearing what Musk, Vivek, and the elites of the GOP think of them. They've always looked down on Trump voters. They mock them as stupid and ignorant behind their backs. Now Musk is calling them “contemptible fools.” — Well, here's your new master, MAGA. …
@wajali Wajahat Ali on bluesky
Words I never thought I'd write: Loomer is correct here. [image]
@mmasnick Mike Masnick on bluesky
It's very easy to classify anything you don't like as “spam.” As Elon is doing here. But once you've started down that slope you've already admitted you recognize the need to moderate *some* content. It's just a question of where you draw the borders.
@keithedwards Keith Edwards on bluesky
The Musk/MAGA divorce was just as racist, stupid, and entertaining as I thought it would be
@aaronparnas Aaron Parnas on bluesky
Many of you have left Twitter, but just a heads up, Elon Musk, Laura Loomer, and MAGA are fighting each other nonstop over there and it is HILARIOUS
@andrewjweinstein.com Andrew Weinstein on bluesky
The Laura Loomer/Elon Musk battle for MAGA supremacy is the holiday gift we all deserve.
@mmasnick Mike Masnick on bluesky
That one weird trick that lets you pretend that you took over Twitter to restore free speech, but regularly ban/shadowban/deboost those you don't like: just claim anything you don't like is spam. [image]
@davethewaveofficial @davethewaveofficial on threads
Elon Musk gave $250M to a movement promising mass deportation of ‘vermin’ ‘poisoning the blood of our country’, and is somehow surprised to encounter nativist sentiment in its ranks? The genius we deserve, I suppose.
@burnettejudie Judie Balandis Burnette on threads
Vivek & Elon are saying what every other Republican employer is about to say in 2025 - deport everyone else's employees, but not mine because I really need them.
@carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on threads
People are finding out the hard way that even if you're a model minority, to MAGA you're still a minority.
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
So after @elonmusk took away my verification, I just received an email from X charging me for X @premium even though I can't access Premium because my blue check and subscribers have been taken away. So you ban me from the service and then charge me for it? How is that ethical? […
@rpsagainsttrump @rpsagainsttrump on x
Steve Bannon on Elon Musk: This guy lives on government contracts and taxpayer subsidies...You're not even an American, all you are is a globalist. You would take a check from Adolph Hitler. [video]
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
Just a reminder that the algorithm is trying to maximize unregretted user-seconds. If far more credible, verified subscriber accounts (not bots) mute/block your account compared to those who like your posts, your reach will decline significantly.
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
BREAKING: 🚨🚨🚨 @elonmusk has removed my blue check mark on X because I dared to question his support for H1B visas, the replacement of American tech workers by Indian immigrants, and I questioned his relationship with China. Looks like Elon Musk is going to be silencing me [image]
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
@stillgray Loomer is trolling for attention. Ignore.
@scottadamssays Scott Adams on x
MAGA is taking a page from Democrats on how to lose elections while feeling good about themselves.
@ryangrim Ryan Grim on x
Musk spent the last year juicing this site's algorithm so that super edgy far-right accounts were forced into everyone's feed — and somehow now he is genuinely upset and embarrassed that they are acting like the far right people they are and making things hard for him.
@canteverdie @canteverdie on x
“adrian dittmann” is elon musks alt account, throughout this he says things like “you are being racist!” and “you're just admitting this?” to these nazis i can't believe he's actually stunned he's cultivated a website and culture and audience of insane reactionary racists lol
@realalexjones Alex Jones on x
It is a classic American policy to brain drain the best from across the planet and bring them here. Musk has ALWAYS advocated for this policy. Everyone bitching that @elonmusk has flip flopped are either ignorant or lying. Elon to a great extent is the poster child for this
@farhip Paul Farhi on x
Striking thing about the Musk/Ramaswamy vs. #MAGA brouhaha: That Trump hasn't said a word either way. A no-win proposition, for sure. But still striking.
@t_blom Tom Blomfield on x
So has Elon basically just rugged MAGA?
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
I mean right after @elonmusk called me a troll today, my account verification was taken away, my subscriptions were deactivated and I was banned from being able to buy premium even though I was already paying for premium. Clearly retaliation.
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
@ScottAdamsSays The “contemptible fools” I'm referring to are those in the Republican Party who are hateful, unrepentant racists. They will absolutely be the downfall of the Republican Party if they are not removed.
@canteverdie @canteverdie on x
elon musk is retaliating against everyone that went against him in the twitter space, suspending them seemingly trying to get rid of the evidence. the dude is in full on melt down mode lol [image]
@jason @jason on x
Intolerant lunatics hijacked both parties What we're witnessing is those individuals losing their power The woke lunatics in the Democratic Party look like idiots & the racist members of MAGA have shown their true colors DJT will expunge them This is part of the process
@jamesrbuk James Ball on x
It's amazing the amount of stuff that “does not violate” the rules here...except when it happens to Elon when he's cheesed off.
@esjesjesj @esjesjesj on x
He's completely unhinged and personally suspending people who post fake tweets from him, something that happens thousands of times a day [image]
@growing_daniel Daniel on x
The weird thing about the h1b debate is nobody in tech seems bothered by it. It's all outsiders supposedly trying to protect the value of labor that doesn't want to be protected
@willchamberlain Will Chamberlain on x
Imagine speaking this way about the guy who spent 44 billion on a platform, restored your account, and allowed you to gain a million followers Oh, and the same guy who put the biggest fortune in the world on the line to elect the guy you support Whatever you think about [image]
@sm Sara Mauskopf on x
Ok I resisted weighing in to the H-1B visa debate but I can't help myself because the current framing IS SO DUMB and I NEED TO CORRECT THINGS. People are debating whether we should allow highly skilled workers into the U.S. or prioritize hiring American workers only. But this
@aja_cortes @aja_cortes on x
Elon being an immigrant himself is never going to react well to “FUCK IMMIGRANTS” His lifes ambition was to come to the USA and build, which he has more than any Man alive. he made the ultimate Skin in the game bet with the election and now he seeing people he fought for
@devahaz Deva Hazarika on x
Kinda crazy these tweets are less than two months apart. We'll see similar changes in tone from some people when “good” immigrants they know get deported. [image]
@buccocapital @buccocapital on x
His point was that conservatives lack imagination. The older I get the more I find that to be true. Misfortune and hatred make us all kinder, and force us to question our assumptions, when they hit close to home
@buccocapital @buccocapital on x
A mentor once told me: “The famous saying is that 'If you're not a liberal when you're young you have no heart. And if you're not a conservative when you're older you have no brain.' But really everyone's a conservative till someone they know gets fucked over” [image]
@levie Aaron Levie on x
Trump's own stated views on high skilled immigration are very pro tech [video]
@danprimack Dan Primack on x
It wasn't hard to predict that there would be a “tech MAGA/traditional MAGA” fissure on immigration. @imkialikethecar from July: https://www.axios.com/...
@mattyglesias Matthew Yglesias on x
If a major Dem donor called the American people “retarded,” it would receive extensive coverage in progressive media about how bad and corrupt Democrats are which would fuel mainstream media coverage and it would be a huge deal. Musk does it and conservative media doesn't care. […
@mattbruenig Matt Bruenig on x
@mattyglesias I do always get a kick out of the conservative pitch to the working class: the libs think you are reactionary bigots while we merely think you are culturally degenerate and stupid
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
@ScottAdamsSays Yes. And those contemptible fools must be removed from the Republican Party, root and stem.
@basedtorba Andrew Torba on x
You know you're winning the argument when you have to alter the algo, lock accounts, and remove verification badges of the people you're debating lmao
@freemattkim Matt Kim on x
EVERYONE!!! don't panic. The removal of verification badges and monetization of dissenting voices to Elon was just a glitch. He's got his top 0.1% Indian engineers working on it!
@noahpinion Noah Smith on x
I give Elon mad props for not cucking to the anti-Indian racists 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
We aren't alienating @elonmusk. We want to have a conversation with him but he limits the convo by deleting our check marks and by calling trolls and subtards. I'd be happy to have a conversation, but he limited my account. That's a bad faith effort at conversation & debate.
@alexberenson Alex Berenson on x
So @LauraLoomer is a nutty fabulist. And @elonmusk doesn't have to pay her. Not sharing revenue is not censoring her. But suspending her on a pretext, even temporarily, IS. She didn't dox - the record is public. I hope Elon realizes Laura and her ilk are the price of free speech
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
At risk of starting the obvious, there are many attention-seeking trolls on all social media platforms trying to yank your chain. They win if you respond.
@endwokeness @endwokeness on x
We can debate and have dialogue but it would be foolish to alienate Elon in the process. Look how that turned out for the left.
@stevelovesammo Steve on x
Tell me again how this wasn't a psyop. They're terrified and are trying to fracture this Trump Presidency. Don't let them. [image]
@scottadamssays Scott Adams on x
This one is more complicated. It's coming from inside the house.
@basedtorba Andrew Torba on x
Any notion of free speech on this platform is dead as of today. Although it never really existed to begin with. You know where you have “freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach?” Prison.
@basedtorba Andrew Torba on x
Elon raised $6 billion dollars from Blackrock and other usual suspects last week and now he's on the timeline calling Americans retards, changing the algo, removing checkmarks, and locking people out of their accounts. Curious.
@basedtorba Andrew Torba on x
Look I get the game and mean no disrespect, but I have never expected the “big influencers” to move to Gab and think they should stay and fight on X for as long as they can. You are of course always welcome and have a refuge when needed! Gab is community funded by our users. I
@basedtorba Andrew Torba on x
Let the H-1Bs pay for X premium. Americans are too “lazy, unskilled, and subtarded.”
@basedtorba Andrew Torba on x
Printing this out and putting it in a frame on my desk as a trophy.
@basedtorba Andrew Torba on x
Gab traffic is exploding right now. Thank you Elon, very cool. [image]
@raheemkassam Raheem on x
Bad faith actors with huge legacy accounts mass block/mute those of us who stand up for anything on here. The algorithm rewards tepid, unchallenging, compromise positions.
@realmichaelseif Michael Seifert on x
I deleted my tweet about X removing our blue check on the @officialpsq page after I was just told by insiders at X that this is a systems issue and not at all malicious. Hoping it gets resolved quickly.
@basedtorba Andrew Torba on x
He's declaring war on us btw. Should go over well for him as it has for everyone else who has tried. [image]
@notpbd @notpbd on x
A lot of “Right wing” people are going after Elon Musk, Vivek, and Kash Patel now. Don't do that. You look dumb.
@scottadamssays Scott Adams on x
The foreign workers debate on X has been great. We fight. We learn something. We correct course. Trump watches and absorbs. And we did it by entertaining ourselves and getting smarter at the same time. America's Golden Age
@marionawfal Mario Nawfal on x
X FOCUSING ON USER SATISFACTION—BLOCKED ACCOUNTS LOSE REACH Elon just revealed X's content strategy—if verified users block you more than they follow you, say goodbye to your reach. The platform's AI now aims to maximize “unregretted user-seconds.” Translation? Being
@scobleizer Robert Scoble on x
It is true. This is why my reach is low. Most people don't care about AI and innovation and others decided I am not worth listening to because of my past, or because some billionaire said that I should be shunned. Or because I post too much. The thing is I am here to learn. I
@lynaldencontact Lyn Alden on x
Or there could be an algorithm marketplace where users create and/or pick their own algorithms. Nostr has that. Would be cool to have it here too.
@matthewstoller Matt Stoller on x
It's almost like a social credit score
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
Elon is creating a new algorithm to deal with the feisty jewess during Hanukkah. Who defines what “far more credible is”? China?
@redsteeze Stephen L. Miller on x
Rewarding massive block lists seems like a mistake but like I said he mostly makes this all up as he goes.
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
@HansCNelson My tolerance for subtards is limited
@alexberenson Alex Berenson on x
No, @elonmusk doesn't have to let you make money off X, subscriptions are optional. Free speech is not. I don't even care if you libel people, that's between you and their lawyers (and 230 protects X). Free speech is what counts - Elon should let you embarrass yourself.
@paulbernaluk Prof Paul Bernal on x
In case anyone hasn't realised it until now, Elon Musk has never really been interested in free speech. The test of your commitment to free speech isn't whether you defend your friends' speech, but whether you support that of your enemies.
@sweetser_kyle Kyle Sweetser on x
Will Musk end up being the destroyer of MAGA?
@harrylotuseater Harry Robinson on x
‘Free speech is when people agree with me, all else will be silenced.’ That didn't take long.
@plzbepatient @plzbepatient on x
@elonmusk Calling Americans retarded and untrainable and requiring importing entry level engineers from foreign countries is wanting America to lose for their own personal gain.
@plzbepatient @plzbepatient on x
@elonmusk @AutismCapital Ah yes calling us all retarded. Great job Elon. Trump isn't even inaugurated and the base hates you.
@elijahschaffer @elijahschaffer on x
They are being so disingenuous w/ their framing of the H1B argument The American people were not against some H1B immigration from Western nations What we are against is mass H1B abuse flooding our nation w/ non westerners for entry level positions that drive down wages
@catturd2 @catturd2 on x
I went to bed early last night and didn't find this out until this morning .... Laura Loomer has been demonetized, her subscriptions taken away, her verification and X premium removed, and was given a 12 hour suspension. She'll be able to tweet again in about 4 hours.
@stclairashley Ashley St. Clair on x
You can disagree with Laura Loomer. I do often. You can even (not that I would) justify demonetizing her because “advertisers don't want their content next to her” But to remove her 2500+ subscribers is insane and personal. These are people that were choosing to individually
@cernovich @cernovich on x
Multiple accounts that never posted about H-1B are having blue checks removed. Looks like something else, not some retaliation or what others suggested.
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
.@Cernovich is running cover for @elonmusk who just admitted he retaliated against conservative accounts tonight that criticized H1B visas. He said “Yes” when @MarioNawfal said “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” right after several accounts, including mine were targeted. [ima…
@shawn_farash Shawn Farash on x
Any accounts affiliated w @ConservativeOG lost their blue check because “Conservative OG” no longer is a gold check “verified org” anymore so what happened was: “Conservative OG” affiliate badges no longer showed up on their affiliates' pages. This counts as a change to your
@stclairashley Ashley St. Clair on x
It was MAGA who bought 𝕏 premium en masse to keep this platform alive.
@stillgray Ian Miles Cheong on x
They were all affiliates of ConservativeOG. The account is apparently having issues with its gold checkmark so everyone affiliated to it lost their affiliate status and thus the blue checkmark was temporarily removed (will be reinstated). This happens when you're removed as an
@bannons_warroom @bannons_warroom on x
“After Doing Everything In Their Power To Keep President Trump From Getting Elected The Big Tech Executives Want A Seat At The Table.” @LauraLoomer Warns Of Sinister Agenda From Tech Billionaires [video]
@pastordscott @pastordscott on x
Actually, @elonmusk didn't “take away” anybody's “free speech”. He just said “I'll be damned if somebody is gonna make money off of MY platform dogging me out”. He didn't “put anyone off” of X, he just stopped PAYING them.
@ronfilipkowski Ron Filipkowski on x
Wow, last night the Free Speech Absolutist removed the blue checks, changed the algo to crush their engagement, and removed the ability to get subscriptions, from dozens of big MAGA accounts who criticized him including Loomer. [image]
@punk9059 @punk9059 on x
Seeing Elon get rid of the blue check/payments/subs for people who openly disagree and attack him feels like the opposite of the free speech platform he says he's for. The real test of free speech is how well you deal with people who disagree w you.
@dogrightgirl @dogrightgirl on x
Did we lose free speech on X in the last 24 hours?
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
@AutismCapital That pretty much sums it up. This was eye-opening.
@scottadamssays Scott Adams on x
Beware the paid and pro trolls. They are out in force today.
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
@ScottAdamsSays Coordinated reply spammers/scammers are out in force. They are getting nuked as we speak.
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
@Liv_Boeree It's pointless to engage with subtards
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
Elon Musk @elonmusk wanting to quell conversation on a platform he owns that thrives off of people having nonstop conversations tells you everything you need to know. 🎯 I rest my case. Signed, Trump loving, America First attention seeking troll ❤️🇺🇸
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
Another way of putting it is that the algorithm is trying to maximize probable long-term user-seconds
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
This is the right position for those who want America to win. For those who want America to lose for their own personal gain, I have no respect. Zero.
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
My 12 hour suspension is now over. For raising concerns and speaking the truth about the technocratic takeover of our country and the White House via influence peddling by billionaire crony technocrats, I have been stripped of my Premium account, blue check, & my subscriptions! […
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
I have now also been banned from being able to purchase premium. We are always told to buy premium. But if you criticize immigration you get your premium check taken away and you also get banned from being able to buy Premium. Pure censorship. MAGA has been silenced. [image]
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
How are we having an open debate when people who called out H1B (including me) just had their verifications taken away by X? This is censorship @VivekGRamaswamy Not open debate. @elonmusk has taken away my verified account and canceled all of my subscriptions. “Open debate” [imag…
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
After putting me on a 12 hr suspension, removing my blue check mark & banning my subscriptions, @x is now classifying replies from my followers as “spam”. Big tech thinks you're spam if you agree with me on H1B visas & Silicon Valley influence peddling. Why, ⁦@elonmusk⁩? [image]
@johnmccloy @johnmccloy on x
Here is @LauraLoomer on Bannon this afternoon saying she is concerned that Democrats may use the perception to create a narrative that big tech is buying influence & enriching themselves. “ I just want to be able to have an open dialogue” [video]
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
.@VivekGRamaswamy The technocratic state is more dangerous than the administrative state. Your silence on the censorship of those who wanted to put a limit on the power of big tech is deafening. DOGE can't be allowed to be utilized as a vanity project to enrich Silicon Valley.
@gavinwax Gavin Mario Wax on x
Waiting for the Tech Bros to fight for a new law that makes the H1B postings private. They will call it an “algorithm adjustment” to the legislation or something stupid.
@autismcapital @autismcapital on x
So basically the right split into two factions, tech right and right right, and the tech right is like “hey we need h-1b visa people to do the jobs,” and the right right was like “no you need to hire americans,” and the tech right is like “but you guys are retarded,” and the [ima…
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
Very sad to see President Trump's most loyal supporters treated so badly @JDVance. You & Trump have both said we need to end H1B visas. So why is it ok for @elonmusk to ban my premium access & delete my subscriptions as an independent journalist simply because I don't want H1B?
@rl9631 Renata on x
This is putting President Trump in a terrible spot. @realDonaldTrump What is going on? 👇
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
BREAKING: @elonmusk has now also taken away my character limit so I can't post longer posts. I paid for premium too. He locked my ability to have premium after taking away my blue check tonight. So much for free speech. [image]
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
To those of you getting messages saying that I deactivated my X subscriptions, that's a lie. I didn't. @elonmusk took away my premium account tonight, limited my character limit, & canceled my subscriptions because I spoke out about mass migration. It's retaliatory censorship. [i…
@cb_doge @cb_doge on x
They freely criticize Elon Musk on his own platform, yet claim there's no free speech here. The irony is unreal.
@ronfilipkowski Ron Filipkowski on x
Petty Elon gets his revenge on MAGA critics. [image]
@dril Wint on x
what if everyones profile just had two buttons you could click on if you want to either see their posts or not see their posts
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
Sad to see. @elonmusk is now referring to MAGA as “contemptible fools”. DEPLORABLES LISTLESS VESSELS GARBAGE AND NOW.... CONTEMPTIBLE FOOLS The Trump base is being replaced by Big Tech executives. So sad to see this. @realDonaldTrump I feel so sad for MAGA.
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
Full censorship of my account simply because I called out H1B visas. This is anti-American behavior by tech oligarchs. What happened to free speech?
@adamkinzinger Adam Kinzinger on x
So @elonmusk stripped the blue check because someone hurt his feelings? Dude lay off the ketamine, talk to a therapist, help the poor, retire, talk to your kids, and grow up. He going to keep strangling this place. If you love him great, but don't pretend he's for free speech
@p_kallioniemi Pekka Kallioniemi on x
Elon Musk appears to have removed the gold badge from @ConservativeOG following a disagreement about H-1B visas. As a result, their affiliated influencers have also lost verification and subscribers. Is this the ‘free speech’ Elon promised us? [image]
@libsoftiktok @libsoftiktok on x
Why are so many accounts suddenly losing their blue checks and subscribers??
@lauraloomer Laura Loomer on x
I have been more loyal to President Trump and his agenda than ANYONE. And I have only been punished for it. Pay attention MAGA. This is how you will all be treated now that Big Tech has infiltrated MAGA. “President Musk” is starting to look real. He doesn't want me to
@repmtg Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on x
Good gracious, I came out of Christmas bliss to see arguments about American labor vs H1-B imported labor and MAGA split over this issue. Good, that means everyone is engaged in saving this country. Here is some tough reality for some of you: There are some big MAGA voices
@gavinwax Gavin Mario Wax on x
My verification badge is now under review. Weird! Didn't change anything.
@conservativeog @conservativeog on x
All of our influencers have now lost verification status, as well as our own page. Our brand did nothing. We spoke out against HB1 visas and it appears that @elonmusk intentionally shut us down? Is this the new status quo from America's “most free” social media platform? [image]
@antoniogm Antonio García Martínez on x
As a meta-comment, it's fascinating to see this debate play out live, in the gladiatorial arena, with near-zero meddling from the content moderation people or the mainstream media. The national agora at internet scale is here. Everything else is a sideshow.
@owenshroyer1776 Owen Shroyer on x
I just lost my verification...was told my account is “under review”. Anyone know what's going on?
@theprestonparra Preston Parra on x
Woah, @elonmusk just stripped our entire organization of badges and verified org status. I guess this is what you get when you hand the keys over to an autistic, power-hungry, self-aggrandizing traitor to his country. Very pathetic, X sucks! [image]
@raheemkassam Raheem on x
This is unreal. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
@marionawfal Mario Nawfal on x
Translation: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
That said, any accounts found to be engaged in coordinated attacks to spam target accounts with mute/blocks will themselves be categorized - correctly - as spam. Live by the spam, die by the spam.
@gavinwax Gavin Mario Wax on x
Insane that blue checks are being removed from accounts that have been vocal in their criticism of the H1B racket. Horrible look. I've supported Elon and X. Anyone who was at the @NYYRC gala can attest that I dedicated a large portion of my speech to praising Elon. Sad!
@owenshroyer1776 Owen Shroyer on x
Update on the current situation with censorship on X. Yes, I said it. Censorship on X... [video]
@dreamleaf5 @dreamleaf5 on x
Elon is revoking blue checks from several prominent right wing accounts because they criticized his support for Indian tech worker immigrants. 👀 🍿🍿🍿 [image]
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