OpenAI fires back at Elon Musk's lawsuit, accusing Musk of suing when the company “started making meaningful progress towards OpenAI's mission without him”

Musk filed the lawsuit last week against OpenAI, Chief Executive Officer Sam Altman and President Greg Brockman …

Bloomberg 2024-03-06

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@crumbler Casey Newton on threads
Maybe most notable thing about this is that Ilya signed it?? First sign he's back since last year, no?
@garymarcus Gary Marcus on x
What a mendacious company to the very core. For years OpenAI promised to “open source technology for the public benefit” when possible, even in legal filings as a “charitable” organization. And yet they never meant it, except as a recruiting ploy, @AGRobBonta @Public_Citizen [ima…
@openai @openai on x
We are dedicated to the OpenAI mission and have pursued it every step of the way. We're sharing some facts about our relationship with Elon, and we intend to move to dismiss all of his claims. https://openai.com/...
@elonmusk Elon Musk on x
@OpenAI Change your name
@garymarcus Gary Marcus on x
OpenAI's reply to @ElonMusk may turn out to be one of the biggest own-goals of all time, because (as explained below) it inadvertently revealed that they have been lying from the jump. It may also put them in legal jeopardy over their 501(3)(c) non-profit filings. Huge... [image]
@altryne Alex Volkov on x
There's Ilya! [image]
@mattrosoff Matt Rosoff on x
Sounds like Musk had the idea, chipped in a little money, then said he either wanted the whole thing or he'd start his own. https://techcrunch.com/... via @techcrunch
@mattmickiewicz Matt Mickiewicz on x
So Elon marked down OpenAI to a ZERO and told Sam he needed billions per year, and when Sam got the $10b he needs, Elon sues because OpenAI didn't merge with Tesla?
@pmarca Marc Andreessen on x
It's totally unsafe to regulate or “regulate” existential risk. You have to lock it down hard and shoot anyone who tries to approach it. Isn't that obvious?
@krishnanrohit Rohit on x
OpenAI's letter back to Elon is a fascinating look into inside baseball. The thing that stands out is how scared everybody was of Google! [image]
@deliprao @deliprao on x
What everyone openly suspected is now in the open. We know all their arguments against open source were BS and greed-driven. I would also accuse OpenAI of tax fraud and improperly claiming non-profit status. It also applies to Anthropic, which is cut from the same cloth.
@anthonyleezhang @anthonyleezhang on x
I think one of the interesting things about this whole Elon-OpenAI saga is potentially how much everyone overestimated Google's competitiveness in this arena. In 2018 everyone's like “oh you can't beat Google” and like Google doesn't really seem like a serious competitor atm
@rakwtf Rakesh on x
elon meme intensifies [image]
@nickadobos Nick Dobos on x
Open*Ai Well I suppose that clarifies the position No open source for you [image]
@kyliebytes Kylie Robison on x
openai just came with the receipts WOW [image]
@stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x
@pmarca It's worth noting as you definitely know this has been the classic argument agains open source relative to security. The idea that open source can't be as secure because the “bad guys” can see the source to exploit weakness. Closed source prevents that. This has been 100%…
@tomaxwell Thomas Maxwell on x
We've been misinterpreting what they meant by “open” the whole time because their definition is insane
@garymarcus Gary Marcus on x
@OpenAI Dear @openAI This is baloney: “We are dedicated to the OpenAI mission and have pursued it every step of the way.” The original mission was to be “unconstrained by a need to generate a financial return”, “not organized for ... private gain”, “seek[ing] to open source techn…
@parismarx Paris Marx on x
this is exactly the kind of dirt i was hoping this lawsuit would bring to light 🙂 https://www.ft.com/... [image]
@sharongoldman Sharon Goldman on x
But his emails https://openai.com/...
@jam3scampbell James Campbell on x
why is he so stuck up about open-source? where do I download the weights for Grok?
@var_epsilon @var_epsilon on x
this email is pretty intriguing when you realize it was written by karpathy, especially given context of the recent move [image]
@vkhosla Vinod Khosla on x
Very faulty reasoning!!
@julesterpak Jules Terpak on x
OpenAI published a statement with email receipts [image]
@pmarca Marc Andreessen on x
If you believe this — I do not — how can you possibly not demand these labs be immediately nationalized and militarized? [image]
@alliekmiller Allie K. Miller on x
Ilya Sutskever explains the meaning of “open” in “OpenAI” in email from January 2016. It was never about open sourcing. [image]
@basedbeffjezos @basedbeffjezos on x
Ok so Elon wanted to do an OpenAI partnership deal with Tesla, in order to make OpenAI competitive with Google, which makes sense because that type of deal is what Sama ended up doing with Microsoft instead... Seems reasonable from all sides?
@pmarca Marc Andreessen on x
The most secure software in the world is open source. Most eyes on, most bugs fixed. QED
@kylesgibson Kyle S. Gibson on x
“We realized building AGI will require far more resources than we'd initially imagined” Yes. Key term, “imagined”
@iscienceluvr Tanishq Mathew Abraham, Ph.D. on x
In this OpenAI blog post (with Ilya as an author!), they refute Elon Musk's claims and instead claim that Elon believed OpenAI would fail and wanted to take over. [image]
@0interestrates Rahul on x
holy shit [image]
@aisafetymemes @aisafetymemes on x
@OpenAI @tszzl This is interesting, hadn't heard this before. @ilyasut: “The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science)” [image]
@carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x
OpenAI responds to Elon Musk's lawsuit suing them for converting from a non-profit to a for-profit entity by sharing emails showing he knew of those plans since it was the only path to generate billions in revenue. The disagreement was he wanted to be CEO and merge it with Tesla.…
@liron Liron Shapira on x
For god's sake, change the name [image]
@chandrarsrikant Chandra R. Srikanth on x
🍿Open AI on Elon Musk “As we discussed a for-profit structure in order to further the mission, Elon wanted us to merge with Tesla or he wanted full control. Elon wanted majority equity, initial board control, and to be CEO. He withheld funding. Reid Hoffman bridged the gap”
@futuristflower @futuristflower on x
I'm glad they didn't successfully get gaslighted into going to Tesla. Tesla OpenAI would be a timeline I wouldn't be too keen on. But it shows that our dear Elon would have had no problem with all the OpenAI course if it had been in Tesla's interest.
@drtechlash Nirit Weiss-Blatt, PhD on x
@OpenAI “Researchers will be strongly encouraged to publish their work” OpenAI/Ilya Sutskever, December 11, 2015 https://www.shorturl.at/bCPV3 22 days later, Ilya Sutskever on January 2, 2016: “It's totally OK to not share the science” We've been deceived by OpenAI from the very …
@tslafanmtl James Cat on x
Elon has portrayed Open AI as a company with nefarious intentions for wanting to pursue a for-profit structure and yet this was the plan all along - endorsed by Elon, when he stood to benefit, of course, if he got his wish and became its CEO. Lust for power. Same reason why he...
@austin_rief Austin Rief on x
The first punch in the Sam Altman v. Elon battle has been thrown. [image]
@edludlow Ed Ludlow on x
Seems important re OpenAI and $TSLA “In early February 2018, Elon (@elonmusk) forwarded us (@gdb @ilyasut) an email suggesting that OpenAI should “attach to Tesla as its cash cow”, commenting that it was “exactly right... Tesla is the only path that could even hope to hold a...
@wholemarsblog @wholemarsblog on x
Elon Musk and OpenAI should settle their lawsuit by having Optimus fight the Figure robot running OpenAI models Winner gets to run both companies
@kylesgibson Kyle S. Gibson on x
If everyone involved in this lost 98% of their money the world would be a better place
@ylecun Yann LeCun on x
If you have a certain combination of naïveté and self-delusion, you might think that superhuman AI is just around the corner. It wasn't true in 2016. And it's still not true today. If you have a bit of a superiority complex, you might think that you will be the one producing...
@azeem Azeem Azhar on x
@stevesi @pmarca very true. also, how easily can you source 100,000 GPUs without someone noticing?
@ashleevance Ashlee Vance on x
Ilya preparing to blog [image]
@inafried Ina Fried on x
New: OpenAI snaps back at Elon Musk, using his e-mails from @elonmusk to suggest Musk's views of rhe AI business are much closer to OpenAI's than his suit would suggest. https://www.axios.com/...
@damjandano Damjan Dano on x
Based on the emails > https://openai.com/... It's fun to see how much @OpenAI & Elon were intimitated by Google in 2016 and thought they could never compete with a 800B company. No matter if you agree/disagree w/ OpenAI, @sama @gdb @ilyasut & team deserve an applause!
r/EnoughMuskSpam r on reddit
OpenAI and Elon Musk: “As we discussed a for-profit structure in order to further the mission, Elon wanted us to merge with Tesla or he wanted full control. …
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OpenAI and Elon Musk
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OpenAI and Elon Musk
@emptywheel.bsky.social @emptywheel.bsky.social on bluesky
Understand that this is what's Trump's beg for $$ from Elon would look like too. [embedded post]
@nathanlands Nathan Lands on x
Is it just me or this blog post makes all of the parties involved look bad? Kind of sad because I'm a big fan of Elon, Sam and the OpenAI team. The wordplay around what Open means and making it clear it is at least partially a marketing term for recruiting leaves a bad taste....
@edludlow Ed Ludlow on x
OpenAI says: “We're sad that it's come to this... someone who inspired us to aim higher, then told us we would fail, started a competitor, and then sued us when we started making meaningful progress towards OpenAI's mission without him.”
@smokeawayyy @smokeawayyy on x
Elon: “My probability assessment of OpenAI being relevant to DeepMind...without a dramatic change in execution and resources is 0%... Even raising several hundred million won't be enough. This needs billions per year... Unfortunately, humanity's future is in the hands of _____.” …
@carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x
Another interesting revelation from OpenAI's email dump showing Elon knew about their for-profit plans is that they had planned to stop being open as far back as 2016 to prevent bad actors from leveraging the technology. “The Open in OpenAI means everyone will benefit” [image]
@ralphbrooks Ralph Brooks on x
OpenAI responded to the the lawsuit today from Elon Musk. The blog cites @ilyasut who has been relatively quiet after a recent power struggle that temporarily displaced @sama as leader. Ilya was most likely referenced because of his correspondence with Elon. [image]
@mrgoldbro Aidan Gold on x
Elon wanted total control of OpenAI. Stopped funding it for negotiating leverage. Reid Hoffman bailed OpenAI out. Elon was aligned that it needed to be for profit and that the science needed to be protected. AI is the Ring of Power and everyone wants it.
@smokeawayyy @smokeawayyy on x
Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...”, to which Elon replied: “Yup” [image]
@edludlow Ed Ludlow on x
“In early February 2018, Elon (@elonmusk) forwarded us (@gdb @ilyasut) an email suggesting that OpenAI should “attach to Tesla as its cash cow”, commenting that it was “exactly right... Tesla is the only path that could even hope to hold a candle to Google https://openai.com/...
@carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x
Elon seeing all of his emails with OpenAI being released. [image]
@kelseyhightower Kelsey Hightower on x
OpenAI out here posting receipts. “OpenAI and Elon Musk” https://openai.com/... [image]
r/technology r on reddit
OpenAI says Elon Musk wanted ‘absolute control’ of the company
@tomablogger.bsky.social Tom Choad on bluesky
It's amazing how Trump-esque this is. I'm more and more convinced Musk is an NPD like Trump. Just like him, virtually everyone who gets to know Elon ends up hating him. — His wives — His girlfriends — His employess — His business partners — In Musk's case, even his childr…
@dseetharaman Deepa Seetharaman on x
“I miss the old Elon.” Our @wsj examination of how a flourishing bromance bw Altman and Musk turned sour, culminating in last week's lawsuit. Story w/ ⁦@berber_jin1⁩ & ⁦@keachhagey⁩ https://www.wsj.com/...
@wsjtech @wsjtech on x
The legal battle between Elon Musk and Sam Altman is just the latest twist in a volatile partnership that launched the AI boom. “Discussions are over.” https://www.wsj.com/...

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