OpenAI disputes Apple's account of pre-lawsuit communications, rejects claims that ex-employees used confidential info, shares iMessages and emails, and more
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Context & Ripple Effects
This is the latest escalation in a dispute that moved from Apple’s allegations that former employees breached confidentiality obligations to OpenAI’s public challenge of Apple’s narrative. Apple had framed the matter as alleged misuse of trade secrets by former staff who joined OpenAI, while OpenAI had already said Apple’s claim that it received no response was false.
By publishing iMessages and emails, OpenAI is contesting both the alleged conduct and the record of efforts to address it before litigation. That makes the dispute consequential not only for the parties’ hardware ambitions, but for how talent movement and proprietary-information claims are argued in public.
First-order effects
- OpenAI gains a documented public rebuttal to Apple’s account of pre-suit contact and to allegations that its former Apple hires used confidential information; Apple’s allegations now face a competing evidentiary narrative.
- The conflict becomes more reputationally costly for both companies, following Apple’s portrayal of OpenAI’s hardware operation as dependent on allegedly stolen trade secrets in its public accusations against OpenAI’s hardware business.
Second-order effects
- The parties’ legal and communications strategies become more tightly coupled: each new filing or disclosure can be used to shape perceptions of the underlying confidentiality dispute before it is resolved.
- Companies recruiting senior product and hardware talent may place greater emphasis on documenting onboarding, communications with former employers, and controls around prior-employer information.
Third-order effects
- If disputes like this persist, AI hardware competition may increasingly turn talent departures into IP litigation, raising execution and reputational risk alongside product-development risk.
- The durable question is whether firms can preserve mobility for specialized employees while demonstrating credible separation from a former employer’s confidential work; public evidence releases raise the stakes of that balance.
The trend: This is one data point in the shift from AI talent competition toward formal disputes over the IP boundaries of employee mobility, especially in hardware development.
Related: Talent-to-IP litigation transition · AI hardware litigation risk · Apple · OpenAI · OpenAI disputes Apple’s claim it received no response · Apple’s allegations against OpenAI’s hardware business
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Discussion
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@jamestitcomb
James Titcomb
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Feels like a lot of the problem here is Apple's policy of requiring employees to use their personal iCloud account for work https://openai.com/... [image]
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@theo
@theo
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This is pretty damming on Apple's behalf
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@openainewsroom
@openainewsroom
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Apple is getting this wrong. https://openai.com/...
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@zackkorman
Zack Korman
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The OpenAI Apple drama is actually hilarious. [image]
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@kimmonismus
@kimmonismus
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Awkward: Apple sued OpenAI for stealing hardware secrets. OpenAI has now published messages …
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@suchenzang
Susan Zhang
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kinda crazy how much apple got wrong, including all the interview loops and interview tech talks where Everything Always Gets Leaked! 100% pristine judgement from 100% of all the apple folks if they were all 100% hired without any leaks - that's showing infinitely more integrity …
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@tekbog
@tekbog
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openai lowkey saying apple has stagnant tech now [image]
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@prajdabre
Raj Dabre
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Safest way to avoid a lawsuit: Hire people with names that can be confused with others.
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@pitdesi
Sheel Mohnot
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Apple claimed OpenAI was ignoring them and then sued over stolen trade secrets. Turns out Apple's counsel sent the notice to the wrong email after mixing up 2 Asian last names🤦🏽♂️! Love airing of dirty laundry direct to the public. Doubt Apple will respond the same way.
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@alexeheath
Alex Heath
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Here OpenAI says that Apple made stuff up
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@brianroemmele
Brian Roemmele
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OpenAI's latest blog is peak corporate gaslighting dressed up as a mic-drop. …
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@paularambles
@paularambles
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me after being stuck waiting for app review for three days
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@ai_for_success
AshutoshShrivastava
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How did Apple manage to fumble this badly? Apple claimed OpenAI ignored them for 5 months before suing over stolen trade secrets. …
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@scobleizer
Robert Scoble
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As much as I like Apple this doesn't make it look good. At least here in the cheap seats.
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@apples_jimmy
@apples_jimmy
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They came with receipts Openai legal team smoking cigars, whiskey in hand “ fuck apple and fuck Tim Cook ” [image]
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r/apple
r
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OpenAI: Apple is getting this wrong
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r/singularity
r
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Apple is getting this wrong - OpenAI
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r/OpenAI
r
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OpenAI: Apple is getting this wrong
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r/OpenAI
r
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OpenAI responds to Apple lawsuit “Apple is getting this wrong”
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r/BetterOffline
r
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Help us win the court case. Make no mistakes.
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@kr00ney
Kate Rooney
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OpenAI on Apple lawsuit: “careless, aggressive and oddly personal” Also this 👀 “Apple had claimed that they contacted OpenAI in February and that we didn't respond. They now admit that their outside lawyers emailed the wrong person after confusing two Asian last names—only after …
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@patrickmoorhead
Patrick Moorhead
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OpenAI shows texts and emails contradicting what Apple has said publicly. Whatever OpenAI is building must be a real threat to Apple.
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@neilcybart
Neil Cybart
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OpenAI must be really nervous about Apple's trade secret theft lawsuit because this silly attempt at PR spin is nonsensical. …
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@bengeskin
Ben Geskin
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OpenAI says Apple sent its initial legal notice to the wrong email address, then assumed it was being ignored and filed a lawsuit. Now OpenAI is pushing back and sharing its side of the story.
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@leakerapple
@leakerapple
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This is pretty embarrassing for Apple... [image]
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r/technology
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OpenAI: Apple is getting this wrong
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@firstadopter
Tae Kim
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Are Apple's lawyers this bad? smh. OpenAI: “Apple is getting this wrong” “Apple had claimed …
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@carlquintanilla
Carl Quintanilla
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OPENAI: “.. Apple's request for a preliminary injunction is both based on false information and completely unnecessary because we do not have, nor want, any of their trade secrets.” — $AAPL — openai.com/index/apple-...
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@timkellogg.me
Mr. Tim
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this seems like a really weird thing for a company to post in their public communications — idk, it feels spiteful and vain. maybe they're 100% right, but why post it there? — openai.com/index/apple-...
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@elonmusk
Elon Musk
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Can't trust OpenAI
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@twid
Todd Dailey
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People are reacting like this couldn't be true, but when I left Apple on April 29th …
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@ericmigi
Eric Migicovsky
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Apple kinda did this to Pebble in 2015 - https://www.theverge.com/... We tried for weeks …
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@deanwball
Dean W. Ball
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lol [image]
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@factorydoge69
@factorydoge69
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insane sentence btw [image]
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@jimcramer
Jim Cramer
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Apple going for the prelim injunction against OpenAI.. Gloves off
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@xlr8harder
@xlr8harder
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I know a lot of people are enjoying this post, but this is a transparent attempt to play the racism card and it's stupid. Honestly makes me wonder if their position is not as strong as they are presenting it. [image]