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• @kimmonismus @kimmonismus on x

  Anthropic claims: Alibaba continues to distill Claude on a large scale to train Qwen. Via Bloomberg Anthropic is accusing Alibaba-linked operators of running a massive campaign to illicitly access Claude through nearly 25,000 fraudulent accounts. According to Bloomberg, [image]

• @suchenzang Susan Zhang on x

  instead of indulging in all this fear-mongering frontier-stealing narrative slop, @Alibaba_Qwen might as well release all “29 million Claude exchanges” for the benefit of open-source research and call it a day let the public decide for themselves how “dangerously critical” these

• @javedhassan Javed Hassan on x

  Anthropic's complaint has all the hallmarks of an incumbent technological leader unsettled by the prospect of capable rivals and eager to enlist political power to preserve a market advantage. Technological diffusion is not a Chinese invention. It is how economic history works.

• @aleabitoreddit Serenity on x

  Today, Anthropic has directly accused the $BABA Qwen AI lab of distilling its frontier AI models. By creating thousands of fake accounts and over 28.8 million exchanges. Feels like this is kind of known by now... but there's been no real penalties enforced yet. We'll see [image]

• @runclepennybags Rich Uncle Pennybags on x

  I can't really see how you can claim that sucking up thousands of copyrighted books or whatever is fine but distillation is IP theft. Doesn't really seem intellectually consistent at all.

• @edludlow Ed Ludlow on x

  Anthropic alleges Alibaba illicitly access Claude. Sentence nice. Story severe. Read below.

• @wisemancap Kaushik on x

  Anthropic Accuses Alibaba Of ‘Illicitly’ Accessing AI Models - Bloomberg - Timeline: April through June - Volume: 28.8 million exchanges with the Claude model. - Infrastructure: Executed via nearly 25,000 fraudulent accounts. - Pattern: Anthropic noted the campaign mirrors

• @somewheresy @somewheresy on x

  interesting. btw how did they make Claude?

• @ednewtonrex Ed Newton-Rex on x

  Anthropic taking creatives' work: absolutely legitimate, fair use, necessary for national security. we will do it more in fact Anthropic when companies take their work: no no no. this is brazen, illicit theft. STOP IT NOW [image]

• @gregkamradt Greg Kamradt on x

  obvious in retrospect but I had no idea there was a black market for tokens [image]

• @discoplomacy Sam on x

  Anthropic's letter accusing Alibaba of distillation. [image]

• @ecommurz Elon Murz on x

  So when Anthropic steal Reddit data (without license & Reddit is now suing them) its called innovation. But when Alibaba query Claude to distil outputs for Qwen, suddenly its an “industrial-scale attack”?

• @kimmonismus @kimmonismus on x

  There may be an entire grey-market economy around Claude access in China: resellers allegedly pool Claude Max accounts, operate bot networks, and sell access far below official API prices. The more interesting claim: user logs and reasoning traces may be resold as training data. …

• @kyleichan Kyle Chan on x

  This is a really massive unauthorized distillation campaign. For comparison, reported from Anthropic: - DeepSeek: 150,000 exchanges - Moonshot: 3.4 million - MiniMax: 13 million - Alibaba: 28.8 million

• @danielremler Daniel Remler on x

  Alibaba now accused of conducting a massive campaign of adversarial distillation against Anthropic—unsurprising considering they face the same compute and expert data constraints as the rest of the PRC AI ecosystem. The question was always when, not if they would do this.

• @chrisrmcguire Chris McGuire on x

  Will be interesting to see how much teeth this bill has. Commerce absolutely should take such action, it shouldn't have to be compelled to do so. Also, somehow I don't think Alibaba is going to win their lawsuit to reverse their designation as a Chinese Military Company...

• @eastland_maggie Maggie Eastland on x

  Latest : Anthropic says Alibaba conducted the largest ever campaign to glean its IP via 28.8 million exchanges with Claude. Senators Hagerty and Kim are introducing an NDAA amendment directing Commerce to blacklist Chinese companies found to be doing this.

• @quinnypig Corey Quinn on x

  I *SAID*, “make no mistakes!” Run it again!

• @nilsgilman Nils Gilman on bluesky

  Whatever you make of the IP issues (and there's a lot of glass-house dwelling rock throwers involved) what's certain is that the inability to create (or perhaps more accurately: defend) any “moat” is a major business model problem for the frontier model hyperscalers: www.reuters.…

• r/Anthropic r on reddit

  Anthropic Says Alibaba-Linked Operators Used 25,000 Accounts to Mine Claude for Qwen — RuntimeWire