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• @panzer @panzer on x

  I talked to some folks at Apple about developing the Mac Studio and Studio Display. I also wrote a bit about using the machine for a few days. https://techcrunch.com/...

• @mkbhd Marques Brownlee on x

  As far as I can tell, there is no way to open a Mac Studio. Which isn't a surprise as far as RAM or GPU upgrades - we knew Apple would never allow that... but the thermals on this machine are super important and we can't even clean out the fans every few months 🙃 https://twitter.…

• @leonard_nonso @leonard_nonso on x

  Moves like this are part of the bigger reason why I choose not to get into the Apple ecosystem or any ecosystem as a matter of fact (it's just worse with Apple). You buy the products, but you don't own them 😶 https://twitter.com/...

• @markgurman Mark Gurman on x

  Apple's new Mac Studio: Made in Malaysia https://twitter.com/... https://twitter.com/...

• @liliputingnews @liliputingnews on x

  The first Mac Studio reviews are in, and it seems to be a powerful workstation in a compact package, designed for creative professionals. But single-core performance isn't any better than an entry-level M1 chip. So only certain tasks will be faster. https://www.techmeme.com/...

• @editblog Scott Simmons on x

  A little Mac Studio review for us video editors. I was able to run a number of tests using all our favorite editing software. It's a great machine. More testing to be done #macstudio #PostChat https://www.provideocoalition.com/ ...

• @vadimyuryev Vadim Yuryev on x

  So far, from what I've been seeing. The M1 Ultra Mac Studio is impressive compared to older Intel machines, but compared to the M1 Max 16" MacBook Pro, it's really underwhelming. In some common tasks, reviewers are seeing 50% improvements or less, at best. https://twitter.com/...

• @migrove_wrw Adam on x

  There is [Image of electric circular saw]

• @mkbhd Marques Brownlee on x

  @DetroitBORG I think if there's any way in, it's through that gap. Clearly not meant to be accessed by a normal customer, though.

• @vadimyuryev Vadim Yuryev on x

  @ianzelbo I have a feeling that jam-packing so much different silicon and cores all into a small die has some limitations. Either it can't pump enough power through it for some reason, or Apple just wants to power cap the M1 Max dies even though they can handle more heat.

• @timbray @timbray on x

  Juicy media-processing benchmarks from DPReview highlight Apple M1 perf deltas between Pro/Max and effect of memory: https://www.dpreview.com/... My tl;dr: MBPro with a “mere” M1 Pro CPU & 32G is the sweet spot. Extra-heavy video *might* justify the M1 Max.

• @rjcc Richard Lawler on x

  Ohhhh, so that's how Apple created a weird graph seemingly showing the M1 Ultra is more powerful than an RTX 3090 (which it isn't) They based it on power consumption and cut off the part showing how much more powerful Nvidia's card gets with more electricity @cgartenberg https://…

• @snazzyq Quinn Nelson on x

  @MKBHD If there's a will, there's a way. 🔨

• @ifixit @ifixit on x

  @MKBHD 😳😳

• @jsnell Jason Snell on x

  Follow-up: This display is running a current build of iOS 15.4 and generates its own sysdiagnose file containing the phrase “iPhone-OS_AppleDisplay.” So it's basically an iPhone 11.

• @jonyiveparody @jonyiveparody on x

  Just buy a new Mac Studio every few months. It comes with clean fans right out of the box. Problem solved. ✅ https://twitter.com/...

• @vadimyuryev Vadim Yuryev on x

  On top of that, I'd expect more performance out of the media engines. Some video exports just didn't seem that impressive. I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

• @stroughtonsmith Steve Troughton-Smith on x

  What's the point of Apple providing any graphics numbers when nobody outside the company can reproduce them? Publish your benchmark suite you cowards! 😂

• @stalman Tyler Stalman on x

  Is this real life? How is the fastest Mac in the world this small? I'll try to get my #MacStudio with #M1Ultra review done soon, just real sleepy from staying up until 5am finishing on the Studio Display video https://twitter.com/...

• @rsgnl Joe Rossignol on x

  What's the little pill-shaped hole on the bottom of the Mac Studio for? Kensington security lock? And much more importantly, why isn't it a pill + hole like the iPhone 14 Pro? 😛 https://twitter.com/...

• @detroitborg Michael Kukielka on x

  @MKBHD I see a seam along that plastic perimeter strip? Perhaps it's like the original mini, a credit card or prying tool might do the trick.

• @markgurman Mark Gurman on x

  @MKBHD “modular”

• @techhighest @techhighest on x

  Totally not shocking... Apple is becoming worse and worse with communication https://twitter.com/...

• @firstadopter @firstadopter on x

  CPU good, GPU not so much: “Apple .. claimed .. M1 Ultra would outperform Nvidia's RTX 3090. I have no idea where Apple's getting that from .. Mac Studio got .. destroyed. It got less than half .. not beating Nvidia's chip, but it's not even coming close.” https://www.theverge.co…

• @wild_cracks @wild_cracks on x

  <50% perf gain is pretty terrible TSMC InFO-L (and other interposer solutions) don't seem to provide enough bandwidth for GPU performance to scale well This is another sign pointing towards Navi3X using TSMC SoIC (just like 5800X3D) for D2D communication https://twitter.com/... h…

• @jamiebishop123 Jamie Bishop on x

  afaik, there are only x86 builds of tomb raider, so the fact that the Mac is so close to a PC with a 3090 while using rosetta is kinda insane. https://twitter.com/...

• @patrickmoorhead Patrick Moorhead on x

  I have tracked @Apple's processor claims around 10 years. The company has consistently: -made claims w/o evidence or delayed -stretched the truth -compared against wrong products The company doesn't have to do this, they have good products. Stop it. $AAPL https://t.co/VIrnN1xzvg

• @chillmage @chillmage on x

  proud that my personal rtx 3090 smoked the M1 which I mostly use to play Universal Paperclips in a chrome tab https://twitter.com/...

• @reckless Nilay Patel on x

  The M1 Ultra is a triumph, but Apple's goofy “relative performance” charts set it up for a needless 3090 comparison that wasn't borne out in any of our testing. Here's @cgartenberg on the Case of the Wacky Charts https://www.theverge.com/... https://twitter.com/...

• @dbreunig Drew Breunig on x

  As the glowing reviews for the Mac Studio roll in, a consistent criticism remains: the inability to upgrade. I agree and hope the consolidation of resources onto a single dye/PCB results in RPi Compute Module-like socket solution.

• @dbreunig Drew Breunig on x

  Apple, there's a way to square this with your profit goals: so many would pay $1k for a drop in CPU and memory upgrade. And you wouldn't have to actually extrude the aluminum.

• @ishabazz @ishabazz on x

  This review almost makes me rethink my Mac Studio Display purchase and confirms my decision not to dive into a M1 Ultra at this point. https://twitter.com/...

• @beccafarsace Becca on x

  ALL👏HANDS were on deck for this review led by the always incredible @mcsquared96 ~ s/o @reckless @andrumarino @dcseifert @GraysonBlackmon @PhilTEspo @alexhcranz https://www.youtube.com/...

• @bradcolbow Brad Colbow on x

  I love how the Verge went about reviewing the new Mac Studio and display. https://www.youtube.com/...

• @caseynewton Casey Newton on x

  Deeply researched, wonderfully detailed video review of the Mac Studio and Studio Display from @mcsquared96, @reckless and co. https://www.youtube.com/...

• @tomwarren Tom Warren on x

  remember when Apple said its M1 Ultra chip would beat an RTX 3090? umm, an RTX 3090 smokes it 💨 https://www.theverge.com/... https://twitter.com/...

• @wired @wired on x

  WIRED Excellent performance. Easy setup. Relatively compact. Plenty of ports. Up to 8 terabytes of storage. TIRED Expensive. Apple doesn't include a stand and a VESA mount for the display; you have to choose one or the other. https://www.wired.com/...

• @panzer @panzer on x

  The performance (I had the Max, and other reviews of Ultra show similarly stellar results) is extremely good. It's got a lot of ports, it's ridiculously quiet and it's finally an amazing desktop Mac with some choose your own adventure included. https://twitter.com/...

• @bstoly Brenda Stolyar on x

  my mac studio + studio display review👇🏻 https://www.wired.com/...

• @alexhcranz @alexhcranz on x

  I have a very brief cameo in this video! It was fun to put lots of test patterns on the display! It comes out of the box decently calibrated for blacks and perfectly calibrated for whites! Anyways go read Monica and Nilay's coverage. https://twitter.com/...

• @reckless Nilay Patel on x

  Here's @mcsquared96's review of the Mac Studio, with both M1 Ultra and M1 Max - an incredible machine, and the Ultra is a historic achievement in chip design. 2x performance of the M1 Max across the board, seamlessly for every app we tried. Wow. https://www.theverge.com/...

• @joannastern Joanna Stern on x

  You can be the judge of the webcam quality. More shots in my video: [Comparative selfies using an Apple Studio Display, a 14-inch MacBook Pro, an LG UltraFine 5K, and an iPhone 11 Pro]

• @rjonesy Ryan Jones on x

  Studio Display's cameragate has to be software. A13 + 12MP is the same as iPhone 11 Pro! I bet a last minute software update unintentionally screwed something up. Also explains how it slipped through. https://twitter.com/...

• @macrumors @macrumors on x

  Apple Studio Display Reviews: ‘A Confounding Miss’ https://www.macrumors.com/... by @hartleycharlton https://twitter.com/...

• @joannastern Joanna Stern on x

  After telling Apple that my webcam was not performing as well as the 14-inch MacBook Pro, a 2-megapixel LG monitor and the iPhone 11, the company sent this statement: https://www.wsj.com/... https://twitter.com/...

• @markgurman Mark Gurman on x

  The whole idea that Apple's only desktop display options would be a half-assed 27-inch panel for $1599 or a $6000 Pro Display XDR was always absurd. Of course an iMac Pro is coming.

• @kantrowitz Alex Kantrowitz on x

  When was the last time Apple hardware got a review like this? —> “The Studio Display's headline webcam feature works so badly that it's virtually unusable.” https://www.theverge.com/...

• @joannastern Joanna Stern on x

  I wanted to love you Apple Studio Display. I really did. But your webcam is bad and your display is no better than some more affordable displays. My review: https://www.wsj.com/...

• @jerclarke @jerclarke on x

  @VadimYuryev Huh, The Verge did a sensible thing, comparing it to M1 MacBook Pro, which to my eyes seems very comparable. As someone planning to plug it into a laptop, this is the comparison that matters most to me, though it really seems like it should be as good as M1 iMac and …

• @vadimyuryev Vadim Yuryev on x

  I think putting the Ultrawide camera into the Studio Display was a mistake. The reason it looks so bad is because it's taking a 12MP 1080P sensor and cropping in more than 50%. So it's essentially lower than 720P when cropped into the face. Bad choice, IMO. https://twitter.com/..…

• @dcseifert Dan Seifert on x

  @markgurman first gen apple watch, first gen HomePod, LTE Apple Watch 3

• @zollotech Aaron Zollo on x

  @ianzelbo @SamiFathi_ It's a webcam. Does anyone actually care that much? Typically home internet causes drops of low bit rates and no one sees the highest quality anyway. Plus, apple already said they found an issue and will resolve it. So it will improve soon.

• @halidecamera @halidecamera on x

  We can see some issues with processing in sample images from the Studio Display so far — easily fixed with a software update — but going by these shots it also looks like it's just not a very high quality camera system. https://twitter.com/...

• @parkerortolani Parker Ortolani on x

  Think about it this way. For $1499 ($100 less than the Studio Display) you can get an M1 iMac with an entire computer inside, a 6 speaker atmos system, an excellent webcam, a Magic Keyboard with Touch ID, a Magic Mouse and a display that's almost as good. https://twitter.com/...

• @ianbetteridge @ianbetteridge on x

  It's REALLY hard to understand how and why Apple shipped the camera in this state, software or not. https://twitter.com/...

• @stalman Tyler Stalman on x

  If Apple needs hand fixing the Studio Display camera, my LUTs are available for download https://twitter.com/... https://twitter.com/...

• @vadimyuryev Vadim Yuryev on x

  It's the same reason why the new 12MP Ultrawide selfie camera on the iPad mini 6 looked worse than the iPad Air 4's camera in terms of detail and sharpness. However, it does seem like there is a software issue with the Studio Display that's making it even worse. https://twitter.c…

• @stalman Tyler Stalman on x

  I took a close look at the Apple Studio Display. Perfect if you care about quality more than specs https://www.youtube.com/... https://twitter.com/...

• @daringfireball @daringfireball on x

  [Tweaked the conclusion of the Studio Display review thus:] https://twitter.com/...

• @parkerortolani Parker Ortolani on x

  It's not that the Studio Display is bad. It's just way overpriced, even for an Apple product.

• @rsgnl Joe Rossignol on x

  Pro Display XDR users: I wish there was a webcam! Apple: Be careful what you wish for. https://twitter.com/...

• @chancehmiller Chance Miller on x

  Can someone point me to a 27-inch 5K display that is a better value and better build quality than Apple's Studio Display?

• @snazzyq Quinn Nelson on x

  I hope it's just software like Apple says but holy crap what a swing and a miss. It looks worse than the 5K UltraFine that's almost 6-years-old. https://twitter.com/...

• @sdw Sebastiaan de With on x

  Webcam issues aside, the Apple Studio Display is exactly what people asked for: a beautiful standalone 5K display with some unique integrations Apple is famous for. Glad to still be super happy with my Pro Displays XDR - though jealous of that speaker + mic combo in the Studios. …

• @sdw Sebastiaan de With on x

  @reneritchie Hm, yeah, this is both bad processing and it's pretty clear that the image from the camera is also just not very good. Processing can only do so much.

• @samifathi_ Sami Fathi on x

  Hot take: the Studio Display is actually a great display with a great value but people just want something to complain about.

• @jerclarke @jerclarke on x

  @VadimYuryev That first screenshot is disastrously disappointing! That said, her other comparison, with “studio lighting” shows why I want an Apple-tuned camera so badly. Look at the color nightmare of the Ultrafine 5k under good lighting! https://twitter.com/...

• @reneritchie Rene Ritchie on x

  @sdw I think Center Stage is a huge camera trade-off to begin with (cropping out of a wider capture?), so it's always going to be worse that the equivalent non-Center Stage camera, like on the iMacs or MacBook Pro, but the optics are identical on the iPad Air, albeit A14 ISP?

• @om @om on x

  “Which brings us to the camera, which I find to be crushingly disappointing. Image quality is astonishingly poor, and Center Stage is glitchy.” writes @gruber in his review of Apple Studio Display. He is still “almost certainly buying a Studio Display.” https://daringfireball.net…

• @snazzyq Quinn Nelson on x

  *ahem* [link to The Verge headline: Apple Studio Display review: nothing to see here]

• @panzer @panzer on x

  Unfortunately, one of the Studio Display's marquee features, its webcam, suffers from pretty bad performance issues. After I brought it up and sent samples, Apple said it was working on a ‘fix’ for this.

• @reneritchie Rene Ritchie on x

  It's 2022, maybe this is just how we all actually look now? (JOKING!) iPad Air 5 12mp wide selfie cam vs Studio Display 12mp wide selfie cam (same optics, different A13 vs M1 ISP) Looks flat like iPhone XS/A12 Smart HDR issue to my eyes Least it's not side-mounted like Air... htt…

• @johnkoetsier John Koetsier on x

  Yikes ... considering canceling my order here. I will pay extra for Apple reliability, but it needs to be cutting-edge or near cutting edge >> Apple Studio Display review: nothing to see here https://www.theverge.com/... by @reckless

• @markgurman Mark Gurman on x

  Not sure how it was released with such bugs. Curious how long the software update will take — and is it really possible this could be a software *only* issue? https://twitter.com/...

• @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x

  Rather disappointing reviews for Apple's new Studio Display. I was really thinking it would be the “no wires” Zoom setup because the camera quality would be on par with iPhone, plus no cables. Here @JoannaStern and @bheater. https://twitter.com/...

• @markgurman Mark Gurman on x

  When was the last time we saw this from a set of Apple product reviews? Never? [MacRumors: Apple Studio Display Reviews: 'A Confounding Miss']

• @reckless Nilay Patel on x

  I was also tasked with reviewing the new Studio Display which... well it's a 60Hz panel with no local dimming or HDR and that A13-powered webcam looks very bad. Very, very bad. https://www.theverge.com/... https://twitter.com/...

• @rjonesy Ryan Jones on x

  I have a million questions. How did this ship? Why is it like this? It's the same hardware... so how?! How much can software fix? Will they pause release? Will they silent rev in a few months? The best Apple strategy conundrum in years. https://twitter.com/...

• @flyosity Mike Rundle on x

  Studio Display webcam seems pretty bad. So lame that Apple tried to squeeze out higher margins rather than actually make it good. https://twitter.com/...

• @mims Christopher Mims on x

  In the year of our lord Zoom 3, Apple would like you to pay $1600 for a monitor with a sub-par webcam https://twitter.com/...

• @reneritchie Rene Ritchie on x

  For multiple Studio Displays, you just get to pick which one you want to use as your mic, speaker, and camera, same as you would any external hardware Be super great if Apple let you pair them like HomePods for a wider sound stage though! Make that A13 work for a living! https://…

• @tomwarren Tom Warren on x

  it looks like the Mac Studio is a super impressive machine, but the Apple Studio Display? Not so much. The webcam is super bad, and Apple is promising a software update. The panel also appears to be the same 5K one Apple has been using for years https://www.theverge.com/... https…

• @reckless Nilay Patel on x

  Apple tells me the webcam is buggy somehow and update coming but no timeline or details on what is actually buggy https://www.theverge.com/... https://twitter.com/...

• @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x

  The more things change, the more Apple's inability to create a decent web cam for the Mac despite having maybe the best camera and team in the world for the iPhone remains the same. https://twitter.com/...

• @ashervo Asher Vollmer on x

  Really bummed that this screen doesn't support HDR. Having an all-in-one solution to a thunderbolt dock, good speakers, good mic, and a good webcam would have been incredible... but obvsly none of that matters if the screen isn't even a little futureproof. https://www.theverge.co…

• @panzer @panzer on x

  The Studio Display has a decent 5k panel that scales pixel perfect (unfortunately it's 60Hz but that's a 5k thing) and, unless you compare it to the $5k Pro Display XDR, pretty solid image. https://twitter.com/...

• @ibogost Ian Bogost on x

  This is a bummer because I was willing to pay this exorbitant price but already consider the LG 5K ultra fine camera to be terrible and that display raises and lowers so I'm just going to buy some rocks instead and rub them together for my symbolic exchange. https://twitter.com/.…

• @nkulw @nkulw on x

  In 2016 I bought a MacBook without paying attention and it turns out Apple will just put a webcam from 2006 in about anything and hope you don't notice https://twitter.com/...

• @joannastern Joanna Stern on x

  We made brackets and everything! https://www.wsj.com/... https://twitter.com/...

• @joannastern Joanna Stern on x

  Welcome to MONITOR MADNESS! The only way to determine if the Studio Display is worth $1,599. How do you play? Get five monitors. Cover them up so you don't know which is which. Recruit a professional colorist. Judge! My Studio Display video review: https://www.wsj.com/... https:/…

• @stevekovach Steve Kovach on x

  Apple's $1,600 computer monitor looks like a rare miss from the company. https://www.theverge.com/...

• @starfire2258 Sean Hollister on x

  How did Apple let the Studio Display ship like this? Scathing review here, for good reason. https://twitter.com/...

• @reckless Nilay Patel on x

  Joanna found the same webcam issues with the Studio Display I did and got the same statement promising fixes in the future -> https://twitter.com/...

• @mcwm Mike Murphy on x

  “There are $379 TVs with more advanced local-dimming backlights than this.” https://www.theverge.com/...

• @mcsquared96 Monica Chin on x

  The display Apple wants you to buy with it, on the other hand, has...some more issues, as @reckless outlines in his review. Luckily, that's optional. https://www.theverge.com/...

• @mcwm Mike Murphy on x

  potato quality webcam in a $1,600 monitor awk https://t.co/95BnvA5YJr

• @reckless Nilay Patel on x

  The mic and speakers are great tho. Sadly displays are more of a visual product. :(

• @jsnell Jason Snell on x

  I reviewed the new Mac studio! It's a new Mac on my desk! https://twitter.com/...