[Thread] As a promised replacement for Flash, HTML5/JS is still in the stone age as a newbie-friendly animation/graphics-first authoring toolset
To this day, I am super mad at all the people who put for the codswallop that HTML5 was this perfect replacement for Flash. It's been 10 years since “Thoughts on Flash” was published and HTML5 STILL doesn't (in actual practice) replicate what mattered about Flash. Tweets: @marknca and @craigmod Tweets: Mark Nunnikhoven / @marknca : 💯 key question now: what can be done to make the HTML5 stack experience more accessible? https://twitter.com/... Craig Mod / @craigmod : It's true. For as bad as it was, flash was accessible and brilliant in so many ways. I remember emailing Joshua Davis 20 years ago about my “flash experiments” and getting a response. Fun times! https://twitter.com/... Expand More For Next Unexpand More For Next
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Discussion
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@craigmod
Craig Mod
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It's true. For as bad as it was, flash was accessible and brilliant in so many ways. I remember emailing Joshua Davis 20 years ago about my “flash experiments” and getting a response. Fun times! https://twitter.com/...
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@david_firth
David Firth
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https://www.bbc.com/... I'd just like to add that Salad Fingers hasn't been released in the Flash format since episode 8 in 2007. The software to make it isn't discontinued, just the web player.
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@rob_sheridan
Rob Sheridan
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In my first years as a designer, Flash was a revelation. It let me approach the early @nineinchnails websites as artfuck design experiences, back when the whole web was an art project. We mock Flash now, but it fostered a beautiful lost era of experiential web design. RIP. https:…
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@caseynewton
Casey Newton
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A new year dawns on the internet! Now to take a big sip of coffee and visit all my favorite Flash-based websites
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@steved3
Steve Ragan
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Flash is gone... now Zombocom doesn't work. :-( That website was the only one that made me feel welcome. The infinite was possible at Zombocom. The unobtainable was unknown at Zombocom.
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@caerickson
Christian rickson
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Inevitable, but sad. Making weird animations and rock show promos with Flash in the 90s is what got me my first agency job despite having no degree or formal experience. That job changed my life. Thanks Flash, RIP. https://www.bbc.com/...
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@cfenollosa
Carlos Fenollosa
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Flash is finally gone. With it, part of the history of the Internet. Thankfully the Internet Archive is preserving many games and animations, even though we won't be able to view them without an emulator. https://www.theverge.com/...
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@mahyartousi
Mahyar Tousi
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Good. While we're getting rid of outdated technologies, can we go and scrap HS2 as well?! https://www.bbc.co.uk/...
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@eoinmccarthy
Eoin McCarthy
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NHS e-learning is going to fall on its arse isn't it? Adobe Flash Player is finally laid to rest https://www.bbc.co.uk/...
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@tolmasky
Francisco Tolmasky
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We live in a world today where something like Homestar Runner would be way more difficult to create. Companies are OK with this because they can't profit of an independent web comic, and devs are OK with this because they want to fiddle with toolchains, not make animated shorts.
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@whatdotcd
@whatdotcd
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RIP flash wouldn't be here without you. https://twitter.com/...
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@amberatherton
Amber Atherton
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Many fond childhood memories spending hours on the computer making animations on flash for my terrible e-card website. Was a surreal experience showing them years later on stage #adobesummit @bradrencher #TBT2020 #AdobeFlash https://twitter.com/... https://twitter.com/...
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@gcluley
Graham Cluley
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Thank god that's finally over. Adobe Flash I mean. https://www.bbc.co.uk/...
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@mattmay
Matt May
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Today is the Adobe Flash end of life date. I come to bury Flash, not to praise it. As an animation platform, Flash launched the web into new directions. But once it became a UX platform, without the structure of web or OS apps, it left millions behind. (thread)
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@dietrich
@dietrich
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Flash 3 is what hooked me, over 20 years ago. Summer 98 probably. It was SO exciting to get it... well, a cracked demo version - I couldn't afford software. And SO much fun to use. Me with CSS animations, last week: https://twitter.com/... https://twitter.com/...
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@andrestaltz
Andr Staltz
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While it had its downsides, I share the sentiment that Flash was great for *both* non-coder creators and coders. ActionScript 3 was years ahead of JavaScript. In 2010 it was like TypeScript today. https://twitter.com/...
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@hannafriden
Hanna Fridn
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I was very much pro the end of Flash, mainly because of the security risks. But this is all true. It was a huge loss for the creative community and I really miss all of the awesome stuff people made and the communities around Flash. https://twitter.com/...
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@tlakomy
@tlakomy
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When I was like 14 I was able to create a (really) simple game with Flash and post it on NewGrounds (where I was promptly downvoted into abyss, but that's another story) *Nothing* available in 2020 comes close to that experience https://twitter.com/...
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@tolmasky
Francisco Tolmasky
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Apple's vision of democratized programming is signing contracts with school districts to buy 1000 underpowered iPad minis and then having everyone use Swift Playgrounds. If by some miracle students end up becoming devs then the 30% AppStore commission is just icing on the cake.
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@tolmasky
Francisco Tolmasky
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“Thoughts on Flash” was never about the open web and was instead, if anything, about Apple controlling the iPhone ecosystem (and eventually the AppStore). I can't believe there is still such a naive interpretation of this. https://twitter.com/...
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@timsweeneyepic
Tim Sweeney
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@larsiusprime The doc everyone links to - including Wikipedia - has disappeared from Apple's website(!)
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@larsiusprime
@larsiusprime
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Remember this? “Anything you can do with Flash you can do with JS+Canvas+SVG” Clearly written by a non-artist coder who never used Flash, equivalent to: “Anything you can do with a paintbrush you can also do with a toothpick and an infinite amount of time.”
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@yowgi
Nicolas Favre-Felix
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@TimSweeneyEpic @larsiusprime That's unfortunate, it looks like it was removed around May-June this year. Thankfully the original is archived at the Wayback Machine, it's an interesting read after 10 years. https://web.archive.org/...
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@larsiusprime
@larsiusprime
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What really mattered about Flash, in my view: 1) For 95% of applications you can just distribute a single SWF file 2) You have a robust authoring tool that is animation/graphics-first and newbie friendly 3) You can send a link to your mom and she can just play it w/ no issues
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@larsiusprime
@larsiusprime
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The thing that REALLY REALLY pisses me off is all the people who beat the war drums for Flash's demise, very clearly did not understand what made it so special. “I don't see why this is valuable, therefore it is not valuable”
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@larsiusprime
@larsiusprime
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HTML5 *at its very best* accomplishes most of 3), and is still in the stone age when it comes to 1) and 2).
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@larsiusprime
@larsiusprime
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Ultimately this is all Adobe's fault. They just decided Flash wasn't the effort. This is ultimately the problem with all proprietary software platforms — the risk that the platform holder will one day just give up and let it rot but not let YOU pick up and carry the torch.
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@mattmay
Matt May
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We had a plan to bring Flash accessibility cross-platform, but then in 2010, there was the Apple memo. Flash as a UI tool had peaked, and not long after, it was over. Flash lived out its last years as a great video player with a bunch of legacy content that withered on the vine.
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@waltmossberg
Walt Mossberg
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@tomwarren And I remember how Adobe allowed it to deteriorate into something that crashed your computer and was a vector for malware.
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@mattmay
Matt May
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Today is bittersweet for me. I'm glad the web platform won. “HTML5” was in the first sentence I ever uttered to our CEO, in 2008. Still, I and many others poured our hearts into boiling the ocean of inaccessible Flash, quixotic though we were. It could have been so much more.
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@tananarivedue
Tananarive Due
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Oh no—what will keep my pages from uploading now? https://twitter.com/...
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@lilahsturges
Lilah Sturges
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I guess I can take “Certified ActionScript Developer” off my résumé now. I HAD TO STUDY FOR THAT. https://twitter.com/...
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@andykhouri
Andy Khouri
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This is unbelievable for a certain generation of person. Flash enabled some of the most creative shit, and beyond the web too; so much TV animation has roots in the old handmade Flash cartoons. And of course away goes a whole style of beautiful but functionally useless websites. …
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@sarahlefton
Sarah Lefton
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I was 22 and teaching at @parsonsdesign when Flash came out - I had a brilliant semester length class that brought in traditional artists twice my age and turned out experimental animators. Probably my career highlight. I had no idea what a great gig it was, I was too young. http…
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@glenngabe
Glenn Gabe
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It's over. My ActionScript coding skills are needed no longer :) -> Adobe ends support for Flash today and will start blocking Flash content from January 12; major browsers will block Flash content from January 1 https://www.theverge.com/... https://twitter.com/...
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@pjperez
Pj Perez
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All those months learning to do Flash animation in 2005, gone to waste. https://twitter.com/...
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@grradams
Gregory Adams
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No surprise this interview has been referenced so many times over the years. From privacy to Flash, among other things, Steve Jobs could always see around the corner. https://www.youtube.com/... https://twitter.com/... https://twitter.com/...
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@joshuahirsch
Joshua Hirsch
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Flash was my entry into the biz, and I have so many fond memories of the work, the community, and fighting with designers to remove all the frikkin alpha texture layers. https://www.theverge.com/...
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@arsetechnica
James Myers
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The eulogy for Flash will be delivered in a Format Not Supported
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@marianomike
Mike Mariano
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Cheers to all my fellow former flash designers and developers! Flash was the software that helped me realize my love for art, design, and code. It also taught me never to rely on one specific tool because tools become obsolete. 🙂 https://twitter.com/...
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@underflowr
Rania Chatzi Morosan
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Last day of Adobe Flash today and I kinda feel I'm saying goodbye to a childhood friend 😢 https://twitter.com/...
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@tomwarren
Tom Warren
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Today is an end of an era for Adobe Flash. It's officially end of support day. I remember growing up with Macromedia Flash, and how it helped usher in the first meme videos and web games before being key to YouTube https://www.theverge.com/... https://twitter.com/...
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@matthewacherry
Matthew A. Cherry
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Good bye Adobe Flash Player. We had some good times. RIP https://twitter.com/...
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@levie
Aaron Levie
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Wow. Today is the last day ever for Adobe Flash. 2020 was not joking around.
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@stshank
Stephen Shankland
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I wrote about this a lot over the years, and I never heard anybody boasting that HTML etc was a “perfect replacement,” but yeah, it's been a long time and the open standards still are generally coder-first tools, not creator-first tools. https://twitter.com/...