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On a call with Facebook employees Tuesday, Mark Zuckerberg stood firmly behind his decision to leave up President Trump's inflammatory posts

In a call with Facebook employees, who have protested the inaction on President Trump's messages, Mark Zuckerberg said his decision was “pretty thorough.”

New York Times

Discussion

  • @aweary Brandon Dail on x
    It's crystal clear today that leadership refuses to stand with us. https://twitter.com/...
  • @juliacarriew Julia Carrie Wong on x
    Very powerful resignation letter from a Facebook engineer who worked on misinformation tools. “Mark always told us that he would draw the line at speech that calls for violence. He showed us on Friday that this was a lie.” https://twitter.com/...
  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    Woof. intense qutestion from FB employee: ""Why are the smartest people in the world focused on contorting and twisting our policies to avoid antagonizing trump?" https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • @rmac18 @rmac18 on x
    This is also a big reversal from Facebook. As of Friday, the company was criticizing Twitter for labeling. If there was violative content, Zuckerberg said, it wouldn't be labeled, it would be taken down. Now, he says Facebook is thinking about labels. https://twitter.com/...
  • @mollybedford Molly Bedford on x
    Today's @nytimesbusiness cover. Employees, lawmakers and civil rights leaders speak out on Zuckerberg, who defends his hands-off approach to moderating content. Illustration by @carolynsewell https://twitter.com/...
  • @benthompson Ben Thompson on x
    None of these folks objected yesterday when I described the reality of structural racism. Today, though, when I defend Facebook's policy decisions, I should “stay in my lane” 🤔 https://twitter.com/...
  • @juliacarriew Julia Carrie Wong on x
    Stunned that Zuckerberg keeps repeating this idea as an argument in Facebook's favor. Imagine how disgusted everyone would be if Samsung or Apple was doing PR promoting themselves as “The smartphone that captured George Floyd's death.” This is that, but for a software product. ht…
  • @aweary Brandon Dail on x
    I stand with my fellow Facebook employees today, calling on our leadership to #TakeAction. Facebook's recent decision to not act on posts that incite violence ignores other options to keep our community safe. https://twitter.com/...
  • @brhodes Ben Rhodes on x
    Mark Zuckerberg is one of the biggest threats to democracy in the world today. https://twitter.com/...
  • @juliacarriew Julia Carrie Wong on x
    It is truly astonishing that even after a campaign of ethnic cleansing in Myanmar and deadly violence in Sri Lanka, Zuckerberg still has not grasped that the negative consequences of his decisions are not press criticism, but people dying https://www.nytimes.com/... https://twitt…
  • @mollyjongfast Molly Jong-Fast on x
    How is threatening to shoot people not a threat? https://www.vox.com/...
  • @mikepmoffatt @mikepmoffatt on x
    If corporations want to do more than spout empty platitudes, the obvious place to start is to pull their advertising from Facebook. https://twitter.com/...
  • @pritishnandy Pritish Nandy on x
    This is not about freedom of speech. It is about editorial cowardice. https://twitter.com/...
  • @evelyndouek Evelyn Douek on x
    Not to be a boring procedural justice type, but I feel it's important that the phone call between the decision-maker and the subject of the decision during this “pretty thorough” decision-making process should not be retconned out of the story — it's not mentioned here https://tw…
  • @brianmcc Brian McCullough on x
    So it's cute how now the FB dissemination, literally lime for line, which has been used on everyone for years is now being used on their own: https://twitter.com/... https://twitter.com/...
  • @jayrosen_nyu Jay Rosen on x
    “Facebook, complicit in the propogation of weaponized hatred, is on the wrong side of history.” — engineer who quit the company today. https://twitter.com/...
  • @ceciliakang Cecilia Kang on x
    What really “takes the cake” is that Zuckerberg said he consulted ONE black employee about Trump's tweets on looting-shooting reference, employees said. And then kept it up. https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • @lightyouonfire Charlotte Graham-McLay on x
    Remember when Facebook signed up to to a voluntary commitment to vaguely kinda “do better” in the wake of live streaming a white supremacist massacre? No they don't either https://twitter.com/...
  • @ejsamson EJ Samson on x
    “I knew that I would have to separate out my personal opinion.” Call me crazy, but I hope I never have to work somewhere that requires me to separate out my personal opinion. https://twitter.com/...
  • @mehdirhasan Mehdi Hasan on x
    One thing worth considering when evaluating how much damage Zuckerberg has done to democracy and race relations is that he just doesn't know very much; he's not very bright outside of his own area of expertise. 🤷🏽‍♂ ️ https://twitter.com/...
  • @mosseri @mosseri on x
    @CaseyNewton @craignewmark If you are an employee and have more thoughts, you can also always reach out to me as well.
  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    I think employees were riding high as they cranked out product releases and tried to help amid COVID quarantines. Now they're back in this position of being reviled for a content decision, and it's very deflating. That seems like a big theme, even Zuckerberg recognizes it.
  • @thespartacat Kenny on x
    I just watched the call and I'm disappointed. I'm actively joining thousands of my colleagues in calling to reverse this dangerous policy internally. Minorities are literally dying because of what this president says on FB and other platforms. https://twitter.com/...
  • @b_fung Brian Fung on x
    New: At a company-wide town hall today with nearly half of Facebook's employees watching, Zuckerberg tried to explain himself on Trump. Staffers aren't too satisfied with the response. https://www.cnn.com/...
  • @genepark Gene Park on x
    “But in trying to placate everyone, Mr. Zuckerberg has failed to appease anyone.” Sounds like he's ready for politics. https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • @goldman Jason Goldman on x
    Cool take your time. No rush. https://twitter.com/...
  • @hoarsewisperer @hoarsewisperer on x
    When an employer actively leverages its products to foment hate, violence and division solely for profit, some might consider internal acts of sabotage or resistance a moral duty. https://twitter.com/...
  • @jeffjarvis Jeff Jarvis on x
    This isn't about being an arbiter of truth. It is about being an arbiter of respect and decency and what Facebook should stand for, which is very much Zuckerberg's job. Zuckerberg Defends Hands-Off Approach to Trump's Posts https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • @donie Donie O'Sullivan on x
    A Facebook employee tweets during today's Zuckerberg town hall https://twitter.com/...
  • @hilldawgg @hilldawgg on x
    What a coincidence... Wedneday's protest in SF is walking distance from Zuck's house. https://twitter.com/...
  • @samthielman Sam Thielman on x
    I give myself an A https://twitter.com/...
  • @rmac18 @rmac18 on x
    Some employees are talking to us about the Facebook all-hands call that Mark Zuckerberg is leading now to discuss the decision to leave Trump's posts suggesting violence against protestors up on the platform. One current employee's description: “This is a disaster.”
  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    Zuckerberg on a call with employees now, delivering a justification of the company's policy decisions. He also said the company plans to review and see if policies are in need of changing for the future. story with @ceciliakang and @sheeraf https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • @sheeraf Sheera Frenkel on x
    NEWS: During his Q&A with Facebook staff today Zuckerberg refused to back down from his decision on Trump's post. “This was a tough decision. But i feel this was pretty thorough,” Zuckerberg said. With @MikeIsaac @ceciliakang https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • Vox Shirin Ghaffary on x
    Mark Zuckerberg on leaked audio: Trump's looting and shooting reference “has no history of being read as a dog whistle”
  • @donie Donie O'Sullivan on x
    A Facebook employee resigns. “Mark always told us that he would draw the line at speech that calls for violence. He showed us on Friday that this was a lie.” https://twitter.com/...
  • @owenresistor Owen Anderson on x
    I am proud to announce that as of the end of today, I am no longer a Facebook employee.
  • @kevinroose Kevin Roose on x
    Facebook software engineer quits, says in his resignation announcement that “Facebook, complicit in the propagation of weaponized hatred, is on the wrong side of history.” https://twitter.com/...
  • @stirman @stirman on x
    I don't know what to do, but I know doing nothing is not acceptable. I'm a FB employee that completely disagrees with Mark's decision to do nothing about Trump's recent posts, which clearly incite violence. I'm not alone inside of FB. There isn't a neutral position on racism.
  • @sugarpirate_ @sugarpirate_ on x
    Facebook's inaction in taking down Trump's post inciting violence makes me ashamed to work here. I absolutely disagree with it. I enjoy the technical parts of my job and working alongside smart/kind people, but this isn't right. Silence is complicity.
  • @pkafka Peter Kafka on x
    “The more successful Facebook is in accomplishing its mission, the more ignorance, deception and the like there appears to be in the world.” Former Facebook pr exec @BarrySchnitt https://medium.com/...
  • @ktzhu @ktzhu on x
    i'm taking PTO from @instagram by @facebook today for #BlackLivesMatter. i'm deeply disappointed & ashamed in how the company is showing up the world rn. fb fam - if u feel similarly, join me & let's organize. put your ~$~zuck bucks~$ where ur tweets are. support Black-led orgs!!…
  • @karaswisher Kara Swisher on x
    The history of this comment is loathsome on its own, but you don't need to be a historian to understand that suggesting extrajudicial shootings is bad. This is more intellectually bereft nonsense from Mark Zuckerberg, the man who cannot be fired. https://www.vox.com/...
  • @justinhendrix @justinhendrix on x
    “... we are watching the United States succumb to the same kind of social media-fueled division that has gotten people killed in the Philippines, Myanmar and Sri Lanka. I'm scared for my country and I'm done trying to justify this.” https://twitter.com/...
  • @labourlewis Clive Lewis MP on x
    Mark Zuckerberg knows exactly what he's doing. He knows his corporation's ability pursue it's aggressive ‘surveillance capitalism’ is best served under ⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ presidency. https://www.theguardian.com/ ...
  • @elisewho Elise Hu on x
    Facebook Employee: “Facebook is providing a platform that enables politicians to radicalize individuals and glorify violence” https://twitter.com/...
  • @gabrieloguda Gabriel Oguda on x
    There was a time Mark Zuckerberg came to Kenya and the techies were drooling over him for a photo op. This is Facebook's employee calling him out. But if you ask his fans in Africa to take a stand you will hear pin drop silence, because the stomach is their only agemate. https://…
  • @jeffbigham Rogue P. Bigham on x
    zuck is sorry that Facebook engineer Timothy J. Aveni resigned because zuck failed to draw the line at speech that calls for violence like he promised he would, ok?!!? https://twitter.com/...
  • @ericajoy Erica Joy on x
    dear black people at facebook: i am so sorry. https://twitter.com/...
  • @ap00rv Apoorv Khatreja on x
    I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you're someone who works at Facebook, and have the luxury of being easily employed elsewhere, please quit your job. Encourage your coworkers to quit too. Being employed at Facebook will be a red mark on your resume for decades. https://t…
  • @philjimeneznyc Phil Jimenez on x
    I have not deleted my FB account yet because I'm still trying to cull photographs and certain memories/info from it. But fuck, their leadership is awful — and dangerous https://www.theguardian.com/ ...
  • @theharrymcc Harry McCann on x
    “Mark always told us that he would draw the line at speech that calls for violence. He showed us on Friday that this was a lie.” A rather incredible, and telling line from Timothy J. Aveni as he resigns from Facebook. https://twitter.com/...
  • @bradmossesq Bradley P. Moss on x
    Maybe @Harvard should update it's American History 101 courses https://twitter.com/...
  • @garymarcus Gary Marcus on x
    Facebook employee Timothy Aveni stands up to Zuck. Will any of its AI researchers do the same? https://twitter.com/...
  • @dhh @dhh on x
    “Being a part of Mark Zuckerberg's algorithmic empire is a choice. If you believe that Facebook is causing long-term damage to our society, and you don't agree with their values or their approach to doing business, you can choose to leave.” https://om.co/...
  • @firatdemirel @firatdemirel on x
    Om and his shining words. 👌 “... Mark Zuckerberg's algorithmic empire... If you believe that Facebook is causing long-term damage to our society, and you don't agree with their values or their approach to doing business, you can choose to leave.” @om https://om.co/...
  • @violetblue Violet Blue on x
    Don't praise or amplify Facebook employees for waiting until it's too late. Their salary is paid for by Black pain and death now. FB let corona truthers run wild and now there are enough dead Americans from COVID-19 to fill our nation's largest stadium. This dude will be FINE. ht…
  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    Facebook employees are staging an internal walkout in protest of Mark zuckerberg's decision to keep the President's inflammatory posts up, despite the company's policies on incitement to violence and voter suppression. w @sheeraf https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • @levie Aaron Levie on x
    Corporate democracy in action. https://twitter.com/...
  • @aweary Brandon Dail on x
    Disappointed that, again, I need to call this out: Trump's glorification of violence on Facebook is disgusting and it should absolutely be flagged or removed from our platforms. I categorically disagree with any policy that does otherwise.
  • @lizzadwoskin Elizabeth Dwoskin on x
    context for today's walkout. I'm hearing that there's very little chance that Zuck backs down https://twitter.com/...
  • @shannoncoulter Shannon Coulter on x
    YEAH!! 🙌 THIS is what I want to see!! Engineering management quitting is what gets a tech board's attention. Hope many follow your example. Way to lead, Owen. https://twitter.com/...
  • @oliviasolon Olivia Solon on x
    FB's security team is warning employees not to wear Facebook-branded clothing at protests to avoid “unwanted attention”
  • @lunaruan Luna Ruan on x
    The React Core team is joining the Facebook employee walkout in solidarity with the Black community. Facebookʼs recent decision to not act on posts that incite violence ignores other options to keep our community safe. We implore the Facebook leadership to #TakeAction. https://tw…
  • @shahmiruk @shahmiruk on x
    Jeeeeeeesus. @Facebook is messed up man. @sherylsandberg & Zuckerberg are frightening. They are watching the police do what they are doing in America and still can't connect how their platform has been directly responsible for this! It is wild. https://twitter.com/...
  • @mims X A-Xii Mims on x
    Former director of corporate comms and public policy at Facebook 👇 https://twitter.com/...
  • @juliacarriew Julia Carrie Wong on x
    Facebook's oversight board has not even started hearing cases yet, and it's already had to issue a statement expressing “appreciation” that one of its co-chairs has committed not to say the N-word anymore. https://www.theguardian.com/ ... https://twitter.com/...
  • @bruce_arthur Bruce Arthur on x
    When history arrives, you have to pick a side https://twitter.com/...
  • @heerjeet Jeet Heer on x
    I would strongly encourage anyone working at Facebook to join this walkout — it's your big chance to stop your company from contributing to America's self-destruction. https://twitter.com/...
  • @ceciliakang Cecilia Kang on x
    Civil rights leaders went into a call with Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg tonight with low expectations. They were not disappointed. Mark didn't comprehend/accept history of voter suppression and that Trump's tweets could stoke violence against demonstrators. More to come
  • @dseetharaman Deepa Seetharaman on x
    It was an extremely controversial move among employees & some directly confronted Zuckerberg in an all-hands the next month. This is how that meeting was described to me then when @WSJ reported it in 2016. https://twitter.com/...
  • @shannonpareil Shannon Bond on x
    Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg & Sheryl Sandberg had a Zoom call tonight with civil rights groups @ColorOfChange @civilrightsorg & @NAACP_LDF about FB's Trump policy and, well, here's the statement from @rashadrobinson @vanitaguptaCR & @Sifill_LDF: https://twitter.com/...
  • @dseetharaman Deepa Seetharaman on x
    Some context: In Dec. 2015, Facebook execs decided not to enforce its hate speech policy against then-candidate Donald Trump even though his Muslim ban post broke FB rules. Instead, $fb created a newsworthiness carve-out sparked by this + other episodes. https://www.wsj.com/...
  • @vanitaguptacr Vanita Gupta on x
    Wait, “Zuckerberg posted last night that FB is committing an additional $10M to groups working on racial justice.” No amount of money can absolve the fact that his inaction on Trump's tweets is directly putting Black lives and our very democracy in the line of fire. #bloodmoney h…
  • @rashadrobinson Rashad Robinson on x
    Yesterday's disappointing meeting with Mark Zuckerberg was a reminder that it means nothing when companies say #BlackLivesMatter until they back it up with action. For @Facebook, that means keeping users safe from a hostile, violence-inciting president. https://www.washingtonpost…
  • @hackylawyer Elizabeth M. on x
    “When we've had conversations about voting rights and discrimination, what becomes clear a couple of steps in is that Mark Zuckerberg probably knows as much about civil rights and about voter suppression as I know about the sort of deep intricacies of coding.” - @rashadrobinson h…
  • @robaeprice Rob Price on x
    Facebook's decision not to take action on Trump's posts is really getting touching a nerve with people - I haven't had this many calls from readers (both supportive of and opposed to Facebook's decision) about an issue in a long time.
  • @laurengoode Lauren Goode on x
    Meanwhile, tech companies are sharing statements of solidarity while they continue to provide surveillance tools to law enforcement, via @sidneyfussell https://www.wired.com/...
  • @technology @technology on x
    Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg failed to sway U.S. civil rights leaders on company policies of race, elections and other topics https://www.bloomberg.com/...
  • @aliciagarza Alicia Garza on x
    Case in point: does your platform ensure the safety of Black people? Are there Black folks in your top leadership tiers? How many and what do they do? How are you standing up right now—and what are you standing for? https://www.cnbc.com/...
  • @stevekovach Steve Kovach on x
    On CNBC, Color for Change's Rashad Robinson, who spoke with Mark Zuckerberg yesterday, said Zuckerberg's decision not to take action on Trump's “looting... shooting” post came AFTER Zuckerberg and Trump had a phone call. Facebook declined to comment. https://www.cnbc.com/...
  • @mcnees Robert McNees on x
    Mark Zuckerberg made an informed decision to take the side of violent white supremacists. https://twitter.com/...
  • @a_w_gordon Aaron W. Gordon on x
    “Those are two very powerful statements that Facebook is making - making it harder for us to vote and making us more unsafe from a hostile, violence-inciting president.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ...
  • @eugene_scott Eugene Scott on x
    “What was clear coming out of that meeting is Mark has no real understanding of the history or current impact of voter suppression, racism or discrimination. He lives in a bubble, and he defended every decision that he's made,” ⁦@rashadrobinson⁩ https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ..…
  • @lauren_feiner Lauren Feiner on x
    Civil rights leaders of @colorofchange @civilrights @NAACP_LDF said they were “disappointed and stunned” by Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg's “incomprehensible explanations” for maintaining a post by Trump that Twitter obscured with a warning label. https://www.cnbc.com/...