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Qualcomm announces Snapdragon 865, a new flagship processor that lacks integrated 5G, and unveils a less powerful Snapdragon 765 processor with integrated 5G

Chaim Gartenberg / The Verge :

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Context & Ripple Effects

Qualcomm's December announcement inverted the usual hierarchy: the flagship Snapdragon 865 ships without an integrated 5G modem while the less powerful Snapdragon 765 carries 5G built in, meaning top-tier 5G phones need a paired discrete modem rather than a single chip. AnandTech's deep dive the next day dug into why the split design exists at all.

The structure stuck. Through 2020 and into 2021 Qualcomm iterated the same template — the Snapdragon 865 Plus gaming-focused refresh, then the Snapdragon 870 reusing the 865/865 Plus design at higher clocks — while extending the integrated-5G mid-tier with the 768G and its global 5G support.

First-order effects

  • Phone makers building 5G flagships on the 865 must design around a two-chip solution (processor plus separate modem), trading board space and power headroom for the fastest tier.
  • Mid-range manufacturers get integrated 5G through the Snapdragon 765, making 5G viable in cheaper devices that could not absorb a discrete modem's cost.

Second-order effects

  • Qualcomm turned the 865's architecture into a multi-year product line — 865 Plus and then 870 — squeezing successive performance bumps (~10% each per the coverage) out of one design rather than a full redesign each cycle.
  • The 768G extension pushed global 5G support further down the Snapdragon stack, forcing rival mid-tier chips to match integrated 5G as table stakes.

Third-order effects

  • If the pattern holds, flagship silicon and modem roadmaps decouple: modems iterate on their own cadence and integrate upward only when process economics allow, which is how Qualcomm stretched one flagship design across 865, 865 Plus, and 870 generations.
  • Integrated 5G migrating down-market first, flagship-last suggests the endgame is single-chip 5G everywhere — the open question the AnandTech analysis frames is what forces the flagship tier to consolidate.

The trend: Smartphone 5G is arriving bottom-up via integrated mid-tier chips like the Snapdragon 765 line while flagships ride paired discrete modems across extended design lifecycles.

Discussion

  • @mishaalrahman Mishaal Rahman on x
    Snapdragon 865: 5th generation AI Engine (15 TOPS) 2 Gigapixels per second, 8K video recording, up to 200MP single camera support (without ZSL) GPU 25% performance improvement Expect it in: Mi 10, unnamed OPPO Q1 2020 phone, unnamed ZTE Axon H1 2020 phone