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Recent public outcry against Alibaba's Sesame Credit and Tencent's WeChat over user privacy point to a growing demand for online data protection in China

SHANGHAIChina's biggest online payment company offers its hundreds of millions of users a breakdown on their spending each year … Facebook: Yohko Hatada . Tweets: @davidakaye , @profchesterman , @paulmozur , @shanthikalathil , @amberatherton , @chinalawtransl8 , and @paulmozur Facebook: Yohko Hatada : Ant Financial, an affiliate of the e-commerce giant Alibaba Group … Tweets: David Kaye / @davidakaye : this is a good reminder #Internet users in #China, often forgotten in high-altitude discussions of the highly regulated/censored Chinese net, have rights & interests like everyone does https://www.nytimes.com/... Simon Chesterman / @profchesterman : Chinese users starts to exhibit the opposite reaction to many of their Western counterparts: accepting (or apathetic) about government surveillance, but increasingly suspicious of that by corporations. https://nyti.ms/2EYptnl Paul Mozur / @paulmozur : China's internet is the most censored and surveilled in the world. Yet Chinese are calling for privacy protections. For now, the anger is directed at companies, including Alibaba+Tencent. Could it shift to Beijing, which uses those cos to collect data? https://www.nytimes.com/... Shanthi Kalathil / @shanthikalathil : This @paulmozur story = why important to watch this space. Still, privacy concerns can't trump reality: '"Being angry doesn't do us any good," he said. “Maybe you can stop using Alipay if you are angry, but there's no way you could stop using WeChat."' https://nyti.ms/2EYptnl Amber Atherton / @amberatherton : Beijing to introduce its own social credit system that is expected to give and take away privileges based on spending habits, online and real-world behavior, and social relationships.. http://www.nytimes.com/... China Law Translate / @chinalawtransl8 : This kind of reporting is exactly what I have been trying to ward off by writing about Social Credit in China. Quote taken from https://www.nytimes.com/... — discussion of problems in reporting generally here http://www.chinalawtranslate.com/ ... pic.twitter.com/J3A1jy9UZI Paul Mozur / @paulmozur : This is a concern for only some people. Anecdotally seems the younger, more connected are most worried about. Still, everyone is too reliant to quit Alibaba and Tencent, and gov't's goals untouchable. Wonder if surveillance will become like pollution, another reason to leave?

New York Times Paul Mozur

Context & Ripple Effects

The backlash began when Ant Financial's annual Alipay spending breakdown and Sesame Credit's default settings made users realize how much behavioral data Alibaba's payments ecosystem holds — and how little consent surrounded it. Tencent's WeChat was pulled into the same storm, turning two of China's dominant platforms into the public faces of a privacy debate.

What makes the moment more than a consumer squabble is what came after: within weeks, a prosecution built on a message harvested from WhatsApp showed how surveillance reaches even foreign-encrypted apps, and by 2020 reporting framed WeChat's design itself as inseparable from censorship and monitoring. The user outcry and the state's surveillance appetite are pulling the same platforms in opposite directions.

First-order effects

  • Ant Financial and Tencent face direct user trust damage at the heart of their businesses — payments and messaging run on the assumption that people keep using them — forcing both to adjust defaults and explain data practices to hundreds of millions of users.

Second-order effects

  • Every platform operating in China now has to price privacy into product design, because the Sesame Credit episode showed that opt-out-by-default data sharing can become a national news event overnight.

Third-order effects

  • Beijing's expected social credit system, which would adjust privileges based on behavior, depends on exactly the kind of data collection users are pushing back against — so commercial privacy expectations and state surveillance goals are set on a collision course.
  • The pattern that follows confirms the tension: China later adopted data security rules, yet uneven enforcement left a thriving underground market for stolen personal data, suggesting regulation of collection will lag far behind the volume collected.

The trend: Chinese consumers are beginning to assert privacy expectations against super-app data collection just as the state deepens its own claims on the same data, making trust management a core platform function rather than an afterthought.

Discussion

  • @davidakaye David Kaye on x
    this is a good reminder #Internet users in #China, often forgotten in high-altitude discussions of the highly regulated/censored Chinese net, have rights & interests like everyone does https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • @profchesterman Simon Chesterman on x
    Chinese users starts to exhibit the opposite reaction to many of their Western counterparts: accepting (or apathetic) about government surveillance, but increasingly suspicious of that by corporations. https://nyti.ms/2EYptnl
  • @paulmozur Paul Mozur on x
    China's internet is the most censored and surveilled in the world. Yet Chinese are calling for privacy protections. For now, the anger is directed at companies, including Alibaba+Tencent. Could it shift to Beijing, which uses those cos to collect data? https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • @shanthikalathil Shanthi Kalathil on x
    This @paulmozur story = why important to watch this space. Still, privacy concerns can't trump reality: '"Being angry doesn't do us any good," he said. “Maybe you can stop using Alipay if you are angry, but there's no way you could stop using WeChat."' https://nyti.ms/2EYptnl
  • @chinalawtransl8 China Law Translate on x
    This kind of reporting is exactly what I have been trying to ward off by writing about Social Credit in China. Quote taken from https://www.nytimes.com/... — discussion of problems in reporting generally here http://www.chinalawtranslate.com/ ... pic.twitter.com/J3A1jy9UZI
  • @paulmozur Paul Mozur on x
    This is a concern for only some people. Anecdotally seems the younger, more connected are most worried about. Still, everyone is too reliant to quit Alibaba and Tencent, and gov't's goals untouchable. Wonder if surveillance will become like pollution, another reason to leave?