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Sources: Alibaba and ByteDance are among the top Chinese companies training their latest LLMs in Southeast Asian data centers to access Nvidia's AI chips

Alibaba and ByteDance shift development to south-east Asia to sidestep US curbs  —  Top Chinese companies are training …

Financial Times

Context & Ripple Effects

This move extends a longer tension: Alibaba, ByteDance and peers remained interested in Nvidia hardware even as Beijing discouraged purchases in favor of domestic chips, as reported in their continued pursuit of Nvidia chips. It also follows Nvidia’s effort to adapt products for China-compliant sales, reported in its work on China-compliant chip designs.

The reported use of Southeast Asian facilities makes compute location—not merely chip ownership—a practical variable in AI development. Later coverage of Chinese firms seeking rented capacity in Southeast Asia and the Middle East for newer Nvidia systems reinforces the regional compute-rental pattern.

First-order effects

  • Alibaba and ByteDance can place training workloads closer to Nvidia-equipped capacity outside China, reducing the immediate constraint imposed by restricted direct access.
  • Southeast Asian data-center operators with relevant GPU capacity gain demand from large Chinese model developers.

Second-order effects

  • Regional cloud and colocation providers have an incentive to add GPU capacity and structure services around cross-border customers, while competing hubs seek similar workloads.
  • The arrangement weakens the practical separation between domestic and overseas compute strategies: Chinese developers can combine local alternatives with rented offshore Nvidia capacity rather than make an all-or-nothing hardware choice.

Third-order effects

  • If offshore training becomes durable, export controls will increasingly be tested by where compute is delivered and controlled, not only by where chips are shipped; policymakers may respond by scrutinizing access pathways more closely.
  • AI infrastructure in nearby hubs could become a strategic intermediary layer between chip suppliers and restricted markets, raising the value of regional capacity, power and network build-outs.

The trend: This is part of AI access arbitrage: model developers are using cross-border cloud and data-center capacity to preserve access to leading compute amid fragmented technology policy.

Discussion

  • @kakashiii111 @kakashiii111 on x
    Great scoop from Zijing, and a validation of the points I have been consistently writing about, and very bold on, for almost a year. In short, Chinese companies, mainly large and mega tech firms, have shifted from smuggling chips to essentially building their data centers, [image…
  • @zijing_wu Zijing Wu on x
    Scoop: China's tech giants take model training offshore * Alibaba & ByteDance lead the trend * DeepSeek stands out as it still trains onshore, working closely w Huawei etc to optimise & codevelop the next gen of Chinese AI chips and ecosystem https://as.ft.com/...
  • @teortaxestex @teortaxestex on x
    Typical FT exercise in how many different ways you can paraphrase «unverified rumors» But it makes sense. Not so much the Huawei angle (though obviously Wenfeng wants domestic compute, that's 1/4 of the argument for the effort) but that they want physical control of their cluster…
  • @jukan05 Jukan on x
    Very interesting. China's big tech companies are renting data centers in Southeast Asia to train their AI models. DeepSeek is still optimizing and developing Huawei's AI chips domestically in China. For inference, they are increasingly relying on Chinese-made chips. [image]
  • r/neoliberal r on reddit
    China's tech giants take AI model training offshore to tap Nvidia chips