How H-1B workers from India and other countries help the US remain dominant in tech, as some on the new “Tech Right” discover MAGA's racial-nationalist bigotry

Can't say I did not see this coming, tbh.  —  x.com/LauraLoomer/... @thetnholler : In-fighting : “The new MAGA coalition has officially had its first internal debate - over H-1b visas.  It started when Trump appointed Sriram Krishnan...”  —  Elon & the tech bros shocked to realize they're in coalition with those who hate all immigrants. @bucketlister88 : Worked in tech with Indians on H-1B.  Few were excellent (10%) remaining 90% were horrible.  Their coding standards were sub-par and they'd push anything to production just to say they delivered.  Our company experienced a huge shift in morale.  The greater # of Indians the worse our culture became. Walter Olson / @walterolson : TIL: the nativist lobby group that calls itself “US Tech Workers” doesn't actually represent any organized body of actual U.S. tech workers, and Its founder doesn't “appear to have ever done the type of job that an H-1b worker might be hired to do.”  [embedded post] @alternatebuild.dev : imo “discover” here could be swapped for “finally forced to reckon with”  —  boy the related discourse on “the other site” makes me cynical, but we're going to remain optimistic!  we can learn! @gwensnyder : The world's richest man (from South Africa) and a Nazi propagandist from Malaysia spent their Christmas night complaining that the xenophobic base they helped manufacture to elect a nativist needs to understand that we still need to allow immigration for important groups like Nazi space scientists [image] Jonathan Portes / @jdportes : Ignoring the slightly clickbait title, @noahpinion.blogsky.venki.dev makes an important empirical point here about skilled immigration which is highly relevant to the current UK debate.  —  [1/n]  —  www.noahpinion.blog/p/indian- imm... Anil Dash / @anildash.com : I used to know Sriram a long time ago; had coffee with him and met his wife and he told me he used to read my blog.  After he fell in with the Andreessen types and became their pet during the Clubhouse era, I told him it was gonna end like this.  We haven't spoken since, but... lie down with dogs. … X: David Sacks / @davidsacks : @LauraLoomer @sriramk Point of clarification: Sriram didn't say he wants to remove all caps on green cards. He said he wants to remove *country* caps on green cards. Right now, every country in the world gets allocated the same number of green cards, no matter how many qualified applicants it has. So Elon Musk / @elonmusk : The “fixed pie” fallacy is at the heart of much wrong-headed economic thinking. There is essentially infinite potential for job and company creation. Think of all the things that didn't exist 20 or 30 years ago! Nas / @nasescobar316 : Did any of yall vote for this Indian to run America? [image] Vivek Ramaswamy / @vivekgramaswamy : The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation).  A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture.  Tough questions demand tough answers & if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH: Shaun Maguire / @shaunmmaguire : IMO the underlying issue on this “Tech vs MAGA” debate Is that anti white racism has been real in America for at least the last decade I've experienced it first hand It has created a lot of pain, as all racism does Most either don't appreciate this or are afraid to say it @nic__carter : Trumps rainbow coalition of tech bros and blood and soil nationalists appears to have collapsed 25 days before he takes office Antonio García Martínez / @antoniogm : As a meta-comment, it's fascinating to see this debate play out live, in the gladiatorial arena, with near-zero meddling from the content moderation people or the mainstream media. The national agora at internet scale is here. Everything else is a sideshow. Matthew Yglesias / @mattyglesias : Cutting edge thinking: We have Indian-American CEOs at Google and Microsoft because of a Jewish plot to sabotage America. Deva Hazarika / @devahaz : There are two types of shocked right wing tech bros right now: 1) self-serving liars who thought they'd see no opposition to enriching their enterprises in any way they saw fit 2) people who don't care or know anything about MAGA or RW politics and just jumped on a bandwagon Paul Graham / @paulg : I don't think I've ever seen a Twitter dispute that was so one-sided. All the people who understand tech, on both right and left, are on one side, and the other side is just anonymous accounts and political commentators. Balaji / @balajis : Funny you mention that! Because Prafulla Dhariwal is an International Math Olympiad and International Physics Olympiad gold medalist with a 5.0 GPA from MIT. And he led the development of GPT-4o. [image] @nic__carter : I do think serious questions need to be asked of the H1B system and how it affects the wages of Americans tech workers, but the right way to open that discussion is not via a xenophobic tirade against one of our best. Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer : Deeply disturbing to see the appointment of Sriram Krishnan @sriramk as Senior Policy Advisor for AI at the Office of Science and Technology Policy. It's alarming to see the number of career leftists who are now being appointed to serve in Trump's admin when they share views [image] Kia Richards / @kiarichards_ : Observing the clash between MAGA loyalists and the Tech Right over immigration feels like the ultimate “I told you so” moment for Black Americans. We warned other POCs that the “America First” narrative was coded language for a white ethno-state, which doesn't include them. Micah Erfan / @micah_erfan : Team neonazi vs Team techbro [image] Mark Cuban / @mcuban : In an AI world, where free online sources of information have already been used as training data, and new sources are being siloed, as owned IP, don't we need more people with varied expertise, including Liberal Arts, to contribute to models, to correct hallucinations, and to @byyourlogic : this is one of the funniest posts I have ever seen in my life. I've never seen a guy misjudge things quite like this. he spent YEARS pretending to laugh at Babylon Bee headlines so he could post this! Matthew Yglesias / @mattyglesias : We must reject both the prom queen and the math olympiad champ in favor of America's true heroes, the goths. @kelewarg : It's not wild. It is the seed that was sown with the heavy anti-immigration rhetoric. The thing with any heavily negative emotionally-driven wave targeting the “other”, especially if you're not part of the in-group, is you get burned eventually. @josephpolitano : this is mostly a lot of text to say little of substance, but try to imagine the backlash if Harris had said in so many words “the reason we take in a ton of immigrants right now is because you jock worshippers don't have the culture for success” [image] Kyle O'Hehir / @financeguy725 : I didn't go to a top-tier university I got a front office job on the buyside out of undergrad This is a skill issue/cope PoIiMath / @politicalmath : I'm looking for a job in the tech industry, which puts me in a weird space with the debate over visas and tech workers On the one hand, I can honestly say that I have never personally worked with an H1B visa holder who I thought was stealing an American job I have worked with Armand Domalewski / @armanddoma : foreign students pay way more than American ones do, so if you kicked them out, *fewer* Americans would get a college education because the latter subsidizes the former Nicky Frank / @nickyfrank30 : Me watching MAGA go after Indian immigrants after Indian-Americans swung to Trump. [image] @sturgeons_law : I'm surprised the tech right is flaunting their open contempt for the populist MAGA types before Trump is even in office. Q. Anthony Ali / @nobleqali : I know this man has been waiting his WHOLE LIFE to give this speech I'm fuckin deceased this is Beat It Chick for the stinky lunches kids ☠️☠️☠️ [image] Noah Smith / @noahpinion : Immigration is our superpower @justalexoki : imagine trolling an entire website so hard people with millions of followers try to get you fired and your CEO replies “🔥🤣” [image] Armand Domalewski / @armanddoma : at the end of the day, a lot of nativist sentiment is just “crabs in a bucket” stupidity. as if deporting a bunch of Indians is going to magically spawn an army of Applachian machine learning engineers @buccocapital : Tech bros forming a coalition with nativists and white supremacists to elect Trump [image] Rohit / @krishnanrohit : “I'm not good enough to get hired but I will do the job at double the salary” is quite an offer [image] Ron Filipkowski / @ronfilipkowski : BREAKING: MAGA has suddenly realized the Tech Bros are globalists. John Cardillo / @johncardillo : This is one of the most offensive things I've read. America and Americans are not mediocre. India is a filthy third world hellscape. If it's so exceptional, why doesn't its tech talent want to stay there? @eigenrobot : man. idk the number of posts ive seen like this is genuinely shocking to me and makes me more inclined to support obnoxious immigration restrictions tbqh something is going very badly wrong with integration if this is a common expressive response among indians Rohit / @krishnanrohit : Look, let's use this example as a platform to talk about immigration. This because I'm quite sure eigen isn't a racist. So, first, immigration isn't just about economics. It's naturally fraught. People dislike culture drift, blame outsiders for their ills. Tale as old as time. Karma / @0xkarmatic : If Thiel would be looking at what Vivek and Elon are saying right now, he would tell them turn their phones off and not post for a while. Learn how to read the room. Mark Cuban / @mcuban : How do you feel about people who say “college is over rated ?” In order to have more homegrown engineers, don't we need more kids going to college ? @lokijulianus : Elon got ratio'd sticking up for H1-B's. Tough scenes ... Aravind Srinivas / @aravsrinivas : 🧐 George Hotz / @realgeorgehotz : Most engineers are not in America, a simple fact about population size. Why discriminate based on country? Sounds very DEI. We discriminate based on skill and work ethic. If you prove yourself through our bounties, both @comma_ai and @__tinygrad__ would love to hire you. @luke_metro : the tech industry before and after the general public discovers what an H1B is [image] Nikki Haley / @nikkihaley : There is nothing wrong with American workers or American culture. All you have to do is look at the border and see how many want what we have. We should be investing and prioritizing in Americans, not foreign workers. Sulla / @ichthys30 : Really weird to me how every person here says they put in 100 applications and got no call backs and every business owner on X said they put out job openings and got zero applications from natives and just HAVE to hire H1-B. Really makes you think .... Deva Hazarika / @devahaz : I don't think “Americans need to turn all their kids into a bunch of super nerds or get replaced by foreigners” is the winning conservative message Vivek seems to believe it is Matthew Yglesias / @mattyglesias : I think it's 100 percent accurate to say that the idea of expanding legal immigration of skilled workers was rejected at the ballot box when Trump won. But it's still a good idea, and Trump frequently lies to and betrays his supporters, so he should do it on this. Jeremy Kauffman / @jeremykauffman : Everyone sees Indian immigration the way they've experienced it: 1 - High-tech and elite firms see the exceptionally talented with no equivalent American substitute. 2 - The low- and mid-tier tech worker is familiar with Indian department takeovers. 3 - Average Americans have Seva / @sevaut : watching the techno-reactionaries battle the ethno-reactionaries over immigration [image] John Ganz / @lionel_trolling : The big contradiction on the right now is that immigrant voters are proving themselves to be pretty open to right-wing politics but the movement's racists are like “No this is about us white people” Rubirosa / @rubirosarevival : IT outsourcing firm Cognizant has received 52k H1B visas since 2009, more than any other American company. Almost all went to Indians. In October a federal jury ruled the company had intentionally discriminated against more than 2,000 non-Indian employees employed from 2013-22. [image] Santi Ruiz / @rsanti97 : Every advocate for high-skilled immigration I know has been flagging these issues with the H1B for years. Rahul Raj / @x_rahulraj : Sriram Krishnan will face backlash in USA because American public don't want talented Indians to fix things for their country Sriram Krishnan will struggle in India because Indian politicians don't want talented Indians to fix things for their country Armand Domalewski / @armanddoma : the idea that the only reason Silicon Valley is full of Indian and Chinese software engineers is the Civil Rights Act is genuinely so funny. you dumb fucks Daniel / @growing_daniel : Why do people who don't like immigrants even care about the h1b thing. This is a small number of immigrants and most of them go to a city that you would not step foot in. They're also highly civilized intelligent people. Aren't you mad about Venezuelan gangs Matthew Yglesias / @mattyglesias : Before he became a politician, this was @JDVance's thing — applying the traditional conservative critique of African-American culture to the white working class, and criticizing Trump for cynically exploiting that pathology rather than addressing it. Apoorva Govind / @appyg99 : 4/ if you want to fix the H1B issue, remove lotteries, reject the Indian service agencies from gaming the system, introduce a points system like the rest of the world. Set a high bar for what qualifies as skilled immigration. Apoorva Govind / @appyg99 : I've been on both sides of the H1B Visa.For context, I graduated with a Masters degree from Carnegie Mellon, interned at Nvidia, worked at Apple, then at Uber & eventually started my own company. Every year the US grants 85,000 H1Bs. For context, approx 2.1M ppl immigrate Cindy Sridharan / @copyconstruct : Many “anti-DEI” legal immigrants who celebrated Trump are now realizing that “America first” is fundamentally incompatible with their dreams of “global meritocracy”. And that Trump's core base is comprised of people who find their presence in America to be rather undesirable. [image] @quantian1 : VIVEK NO YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN NOW!!! YOU CAN'T SAY PEOPLE ARE UNSUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF A DYSFUNCTIONAL CULTURE, LACK OF POSITIVE ROLE MODELS, AND AN ENTITLED VICTIM MENTALITY!!! NO VIVEK THEY'RE WHITE PEOPLE!!! YOU HAVE TO SAY IT'S STRUCTURAL FORCES AND NOT THEIR FAULT VIVEK!!! [image] Auron MacIntyre / @auronmacintyre : The h1-b visa doesn't exist to get you the once in a generation talent That's the o-1 visa and it will continue to exist The h1-b is exploited to replace the middle class Noah Kulwin / @nkulw : I am a fan of the H-1B visa but I do not support the underpaid immigrants it brings over nor the people they are meant to replace [pelted with trash, canceled permanently] Tero Kuittinen / @teroterotero : OK now I'm getting nervous as a Finnish American LOL... getting kind of Weimary @steinkobbe : Suddenly they have an issue with the fact Vivek got rich from scamming people after he said tech companies should be allowed to hire foreigners [image] Tero Kuittinen / @teroterotero : Vivek really thinks he can win over these people by helpfully pointing out that a smart Indian is better than a dim white American. He truly is just grabbing a live wire with both hands while giving that big toothy grin. Like that Squid Games dude yelling “Not My Fault!!” @hodgetwins : Americans should be hired and trained before any foreigner Don't know how this is controversial 🤷🏾‍♂️ Rakesh Agrawal / @rakeshsfnyc : I know I'm in a bubble, but I'm glad we're having a serious discussion on high-skilled immigration. It hasn't been purely one-sided; some in tech world are calling for reform of H-1B abuses. 🤞🏾it turns into a real policy discussion versus just as shouting match. I've worked Tero Kuittinen / @teroterotero : He keeps talking... he dimly realizes he is in a lot of trouble with his base, but he keeps digging himself deeper... this is fascinating in a grotesque sort of manner. Mayank Seksaria / @mayankseksaria : [image] Alec Stapp / @alecstapp : Only 14% of US residents are immigrants. But immigrants are responsible for 36% of aggregate innovation. Two-thirds of this contribution is due to making their native-born collaborators better. [image] Noah Smith / @noahpinion : Amazing community note Noah Smith / @noahpinion : In fact, native-born Americans CAN fulfill tech jobs. They don't have a skill deficit. But the number of jobs is NOT FIXED. When we hire more H-1bs and other skilled foreigners, corporations invest more in America, and native-born people get MORE tech jobs and higher wages! Noah Smith / @noahpinion : Yes to all of these except “more liked or respected abroad”, and that one is on you Noah Smith / @noahpinion : The fact is, America has only 4% of the world's population. You can't be the center of the global tech industry if your talent pool is only 4% of the population, no matter how talented that 4% is. We need to draw on the whole world for talent to stay at the center of things. @cremieuxrecueil : People love to brag about their country doing better than America in mathematics competitions. But that doesn't matter. America ultimately receives a massively disproportionate number of IMO medalists. [image] Armand Domalewski / @armanddoma : these people will go on about how we shouldn't import talent from abroad but invest in talent at home and then argue we should massively defund public education and abolish the Department of Education. They don't actually believe in anything, they're just bitter angry losers [image] Noah Smith / @noahpinion : The fight on the Right over Indian immigration is a reminder of why we used to have this useful term called “racist” that we could use to dismiss people who obviously just want a future of chaos and destruction for America. [image] Noah Smith / @noahpinion : Sorry, rightists. Indian immigrants are making America great! https://www.noahpinion.blog/ ... Matthew Yglesias / @mattyglesias : Winning a Poaster War against the groypers over visas for skilled workers is a lot easier than engaging in the legislative dealmaking needed to enact statutory changes to improve and expand the H1B system or replace it with something bigger and better. @trueanonpod : Vivek intervenes in the MAGA civil war by saying the reason tech companies need to bring H1-B visa employees over is because Americans failed to venerate Steve Urkel Alex Lieberman / @businessbarista : @levie @AlecStapp the #1 macroeconomic moat on the planet. why we need to continue to make sure the U.S. is a marketable product to the best & brightest Armand Domalewski / @armanddoma : the tactic of course is to spew endless insane racist shit against Indians all day, and then find a random Indian guy who popped off in a crass way, and say this justifies the insane racist shit in the first place [image] @plzbepatient : When Donald Trump was lying prone on a stage in Butler, PA, blood dripping down his face, he realized at that moment a true sense of purpose: uncapped immigration from India Grant Slatton / @grantslatton : it's weird that there is this conspiracy that big tech companies use h-1b visa employees to avoid hiring americans we hired everyone we could find — americans, chinese, indians, russians, whatever most were just simply not good enough, including many americans Grant Slatton / @grantslatton : The nationalist responses to this are basically “you should hire low-agency uneducated Americans like me and teach me the things Zhang and Pradeep taught themselves on a $20 android phone” What did you get done last week? Daniel Vassallo / @dvassallo : Musk really gets it here. Education is important, but not sufficient. With the internet everyone has access to all the necessary education. What varies greatly between people is the motivation to learn and keep learning. [image] Sheel Mohnot / @pitdesi : Midwit take: Indians can't found companies Reality: H-1B's tie immigrants to employers, making it hard to start companies. Indians rose to CEO roles bc they couldn't leave to build their own Country quotas mean decades-long green card waits for founders like @AravSrinivas 😢 Garry Tan / @garrytan : Keep skilled immigration legal [image] Tero Kuittinen / @teroterotero : Heartbreaking to see American CEOs trying to make sensible arguments to persuade MAGA. Can they really be this naive? @basedbeffjezos : Maybe we phrase high-skilled immigration as critical talent acquisition and adversarial skill exfiltration from opponents. The US needs to continue to Project Paperclip all other countries at all times to stay on top. Maintain US tech dominance is paramount to protect freedom. @grimezsz : Suddenly concocting anti Indian energy out of nowhere is embarrassing yall. Also, they were clear they planned to do this. My step dad's Indian, I had a fire childhood in a half Indian household. Indian culture jives very well w western culture. Alec Stapp / @alecstapp : This is 100% right. We should be doing everything we can to attract top global talent. Let's build a superteam and win forever. [image] @tracewoodgrains : this sounds cocky but is entirely true most fields are talent-constrained in major ways that become apparent as soon as you focus on anything specific that requires competence take journalism. many more important stories to tell than top-tier writers to tell them Gavin Mario Wax / @gavinwax : I have a friend whose entire job used to be interviewing American job applicants to claim that they were unqualified so the company could hire a cheaper H1B1 applicant. They never intended to hire Americans. The entire thing is a sick fraud. “Good faith recruiting” my ass. @therabbithole84 : From the article: “Sixty percent of the highest-valued tech companies were co-founded by first- or second-generation immigrants.” [image] Armand Domalewski / @armanddoma : these people just openly want to make America a vastly poorer country. just incredible Dr. Ben Braddock / @graduatedben : A modest proposal that will make everyone happy: Move Silicon Valley to India. Founders, VCs, employees, entire companies. Build a replica of San Francisco at Navi Mumbai. Silicon Valley gets cheap engineers, and we get rid of Silicon Valley. Win-Win Bill Gurley / @bgurley : Big fan and supporter of @sriramk. Feel fortunate that he has volunteered to serve. Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer : This X employee wants you to know that “America wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Indian excellence”. Bio says he is an engineer at @x. [image] Kache / @yacinemtb : I guess I can't be surprised that people don't know how difficult it is to find and hire a team of top .001 percentile operators, because they aren't top .001 percentile operators and could never be even if they tried Ian Miles Cheong / @stillgray : Are you trying to cancel 𝕏 employees now. Scott Belsky / @scottbelsky : another example of the spread of inaccuracy via algo polarization...sending extra special holiday vibes to my friend @sriramk who is battling plenty of misinfo and worse at the moment. but bigger pic: excited to see smart and dedicated minds in tech determined to fix things. Matthew Yglesias / @mattyglesias : I don't think it's true that we built the bomb or went to the moon without foreign-born talent. [image] Lucky / @themagahulk : My wife worked for a company that was purchased by a private equity firm that immediately brought in an Indian CEO. He pushed out all the founders and replaced all the C-suite with Indians. He used Covid as excuse to force every employee to take a “temporary” 10% pay cut and he @baxate_carter : let me get this straight, you want companies to favor american workers even if they aren't as qualified as their H1-B counterparts purely because the american was born here some might call that an inalienable trait. So the people who are against DEI, want a DEI program to @suhail : The open racism of Indians is a gift from the weak minded to us that we need to plan for the future. This is just the beginning. Aaron Levie / @levie : High skilled immigration has been central to America leading the world in tech. The biggest misunderstand about high skill immigration stems from people thinking that the market opportunities in tech, and tech-adjacent fields, are zero sum. This essentially imagines innovation Paul Graham / @paulg : @levie The problem with the phrase “zero sum” is that the kind of people who mistakenly believe things are zero-sum tend not to know what it means... Alec Stapp / @alecstapp : There is not a fixed number of tech jobs in the US. When we block skilled immigration, companies just hire more in foreign countries. Letting talented people move here is the ultimate win-win. [image] Ritchie Torres / @ritchietorres : The personal attacks on Sriram Krishnan are disgraceful. Sriram is an American Dream success story. He represents what is best about America, and his haters represent what is worst. America should be defined not by color but by creed. Jack Poso / @jackposobiec : J.D. Vance: New Congress Must Go After Corporations Replacing Americans with Foreign H-1B Visa Workers https://www.breitbart.com/... Daniel / @growing_daniel : When I was a little kid I dreamed of someday becoming a Senior White House Policy Advisor on Artificial Intelligence. Then an immigrant stole my job David Ulevitch / @davidu : The funny thing about the Sriram hubbub, which is really a nothing burger except on X, is that he renounced his Indian citizenship to become a US citizen, which is a lot more of a commitment to America than most people make. 🙂🇺🇸💯 Tae Kim / @firstadopter : Immigration is America's superpower. The U.S. has dominated global technology by attracting the world's best and brightest talent. Satya Nadella, Microsoft's CEO who guided the company's transition to cloud and created trillions in value, was born in India. Richard Hanania / @richardhanania : “If they're so smart, they can build their own country” I love when white proles who have done nothing in their miserable lives think that they're Edison or John Rockefeller. The CEOs of major tech companies have done a lot more to build the country than you, sorry to tell you. [image] @eyeslasho : Let me express this another way: A reason that Indian-Americans may get more “hate” than East Asian-Americans is because they share more of the often-unpleasant personality features of European-ancestry Americans: They're more likely to be aggressive, individualistic, @bennpeifert : Don't think being a model minority will satisfy the racists Don't bring them in as political partners and be surprised racism is their priority Don't stoke racism against blacks, mexicans and middle easterners and be shocked when they come for educated Indians Don't be Richard Hanania / @richardhanania : Usually, we should stick to ideas and not focus on credentials. But when your entire thing is racism, and you want to take credit for what previous generations have built, you have made it about identity. It becomes fair game to point out how unaccomplished these racists are. [image] Cate Hall / @catehall : The Discourse about whether it's bad to let cheap H1B labor undercut American workers is incredible because employers ***aren't allowed to pay H1B employees less than their American counterparts*** In practice it is substantially MORE expensive to employ H1Bs Boon / @boonafterboon : blaming immigrants because of skill issue, classic Andrew Ng / @andrewyng : One of the best things the U.S. can do is make high-skill immigration easier. @levie is right. It is awful that the wait time for a green card can be over a decade, and that after waiting years someone can still be forced to leave simply because they lost a job. Fixing this is @presentwitness_ : Now that H-1B has become a topic of discussion, here's my story: Born in Appalachia, went to a top-tier university, interned in wealth management and trading, recruited for all the top investment banks and research firms, only offer I received was to cold call South American Ro Khanna / @rokhanna : Yes, I am proud of his support. I am for reforming the H1-B system. And I guess the test of your influence with the new President is whether @sriramk will have his role. My money is on him. Having people smart about tech and the future of AI is good for America. @josephpolitano : a smarter man than David would perhaps realize a campaign stoking anti immigrant backlash against Mexicans, Haitians, Guatemalans, etc would inevitably lead to anti immigration backlash against Indian tech workers. Don't play with fire and then say it's a psyop when you get burnt Alec Stapp / @alecstapp : New all-time favorite community note just dropped [image] Elon Musk / @elonmusk : @Austen Exactly Austen Allred / @austen : Look, two things are true: 1. H1B is used to bring in absolutely brilliant engineers, without whom American competitiveness diminishes and the entire US economy is harmed. 2. H1B is poorly implemented and abused like crazy. @harmlessyarddog : A white dude applied to work at X for free, didn't even get a response. There are ethnic mafias inside tech HR, this is an open secret. [image] Tero Kuittinen / @teroterotero : Elon getting devoured by his pet tiger Kurt Schlichter / @kurtschlichter : There's an easy solution to the H1-B “highly skilled” visa issue. Since it's so vital we have foreigners coming in because there are allegedly not enough Americans, companies who want them can pay $50K a year tax on each visa worker they hire. If they are that essential... Anna K. Gorisch / @annagorisch : If I could destroy just one immigration myth, it would be the claim that it's cheaper for employers to hire someone with an H-1B. It is exactly the opposite. Filing fees for one H-1B are about $5k, then there are lawyers. You also have to retain an employee to manage internal Sar Haribhakti / @sarthakgh : Those most outraged about companies allegedly hiring on H1 to save costs clearly have no idea how many hoops workers and companies have to jump through to get H1s It is exceptionally hard to compete with citizens who are much easier and cheaper to hire in competitive industries Joe Weisenthal / @thestalwart : Vivek Ramaswamy says the reason US companies hire foreign born talent is because of the degeneracy of American culture, which prizes jocks over nerds, and Stefan over Urkel in Saved By The Bell [image] @parikpatelcfa : The CEO of Google is Indian The CEO of Microsoft is Indian The CEO of Adobe is Indian The CEO of IBM is Indian The CEO of Chanel is Indian The CEO of FedEx is Indian The CEO of Palo Alto Networks is Indian The CEO of Perplexity is Indian So yes. Indians are “high skilled @parikpatelcfa : Community notes remain undefeated [image] @parikpatelcfa : If Indian immigrants are so bad for America why did America name a whole state after us [image] Dmitry Shevelenko / @dmitry140 : I'm an American who is gainfully employed because an Indian immigrant on a visa founded a company in the US. Thx @AravSrinivas for creating 100+ American jobs. Sar Haribhakti / @sarthakgh : Try looking up roles played by Indian immigrants in the invention of pentium microprocessor, hotmail, ethernet switching, java, usb, transformer that power the current llm wave, and much more Paul Graham / @paulg : As a rule the people who know the most about something are the pros whose incomes depend on doing it well. The pros at judging tech talent are venture capitalists. If venture capitalists' opinions differ from white nationalists', it's clear who's more likely to be right. @parikpatelcfa : I came to America on an H-1B visa The process was a shitshow and I was very lucky to be picked in the lottery U.S immigration is broken, but the answer isn't making it harder for talented and hardworking people to come here @parikpatelcfa : What's the word for when someone takes the actions of two individuals who happen to share a common heritage and generalizes them to an entire race? Josiah Lippincott / @jlippincott_ : “These third worlders with fake credentials are HARDER workers and SMARTER than you and your neighbors. You need to let them rule over you.” Nope! Ian Miles Cheong / @stillgray : There would be no 𝕏 if it wasn't for the skilled immigrants who helped make it what it is today under the direction of Elon Musk, a skilled immigrant. [image] Josh Wolfe / @wolfejosh : Truth. India is an important US ally and we should be doing more not less against shared threats especially those that wish us both harm. Josiah Lippincott / @jlippincott_ : These are the two Twitter executives who banned my account for 2 and a half years without cause. So, yes, I have an axe to grind with “high skill” Indian migrants. [image] Tae Kim / @firstadopter : Only in America could an immigrant like Jensen Huang—who started by cleaning bathrooms, washing dishes and attending a state school—meet Curtis and Chris at Denny's, get VC funding and cofound the world's most consequential company Nvidia. Immigration is America's superpower. Noah Smith / @noahpinion : H-1b workers are good for the economy. And on an unrelated note, all the rightists now bashing Indians on X and other platforms are full of crap. https://www.noahpinion.blog/ ... @parikpatelcfa : As long as we hating on Indians let's cancel my college roommate Sheel Patel fuck that guy he still owes me $35 Aaron Levie / @levie : This chart shows the net migration levels of inventors to and from countries. America has more inventors coming here than all countries combined. This is our economic secret weapon that has been tuned for hundreds of years. [image] Kache / @yacinemtb : “noooooooooo hire me please nooooooo i can't compete noooooooooo” Raghav V P / @raghavendrapv : How do you not see the economic contributions of the highly-skilled immigrants? Is it that you want to keep this class of contributors oppressed? I hope you see the broader picture that prioritizes highly-skilled immigrants (and not beneficiaries of chain immigration) is an Manny / @mrinconcruz : Laura makes a good point—removing caps as Sriram suggests would create an application spamming situation. Which by the way is already the case with applications from India in many areas, including student visas. My own take is that Srirams position is unwise. The skilled Charles Haywood / @theworthyhouse : The reason Musk wants more Indians is because he knows that to get to Mars, he needs top talent RIGHT NOW, and he can skim the cream of Indians to do so. Rebuilding American education, on the other hand, will take decades, and require a birth rate reversal, neither of which can Jack Poso / @jackposobiec : Removing caps for green cards / H1B is a nonstarter Charles Haywood / @theworthyhouse : Musk's claim that there are not enough “talented and motivated” engineers in America may be true, but the reason for it is decades of vicious hobbling of white men. For example, it is extremely difficult for white men to get into top engineering programs at a university. Most Sheel Mohnot / @pitdesi : GOP has been far more aligned than the dems. Helped win the election Skilled immigration is causing a fissure though. Many on the right do not want ANY immigrants in this country, esp Indians. 47 has picked well so I think we're good but the Groypers are out in full force Sidharth / @cloudwatch199 : LauraLoomer , your tweet is a masterclass in ignorance wrapped in xenophobia. Sriram Krishnan's (@sriramk )appointment is a reflection of expertise and leadership—qualities you seem incapable of recognizing. Silicon Valley wasn't built by clinging to outdated fantasies; it Matt Levine / @matt_levine_1 : All rhetoric against H-1B visas is basically: “I'm losing in the labor market, but I want a participation trophy anyway” Workers compete vs. each other. If one works at a combination of [quality / speed / cost] superior to the other, the former wins. Train harder next time! Nas / @nasescobar316 : @AllTheInternets It's what makes America weak. They have shut American Workers out of the workforce in favor of H1-B Indians. The only people who benefit are India, Greedy Tech Companies & Greedy Investors. American Citizens are the ones losing in this situation. Malabar ChRishimas / @rishijoesanu : When will American right wingers learn that country caps on immigration is a DEI policy? America leaves Indian Physics Olympiad winners on the table in favor of Costa Rican farmers because of country caps @luke_metro : Need a podcast where Laura Loomer debates venture capitalists Lorenzo / @tanknothink : what “American STEM students” lol Bojan Tunguz / @tunguz : LOL, yeah, the largely pro-immigration technocratic Silicon Valley libertarians and the nativist, isolationist, rural anti-tech right have very little in common aside from the loathing for the anti-free-speech woke Left. It will be interesting to see how long this alliance can FischerKing / @fischerking64 : Repeat observation, but there is something absurd about importing ‘high-skilled’ foreigners at the same time as the USA has been eliminating advanced programs in public schools that might identify domestic talent - all in the name of DEI. We don't even know how much domestic Zeb Anderson / @alltheinternets : @nasescobar316 Indian Americans are literally running the most successful (also American) companies in the world. Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), etc. It's what makes America great brother. Matthew Yglesias / @mattyglesias : Who could have predicted crude immigration-related attacks coming from the Trump movement? [image] David Sacks / @davidsacks : Who took your free speech away // Who gave it back [image] Elon Musk / @elonmusk : @stclairashley We need to fix the legal immigration process David Sacks / @davidsacks : It's a different person with the same name. If you knew anything about tech, you might even know he's a VC at a different firm. Have you told the President yet? Maybe it's time to stop with this crusade before you embarrass yourself further. Matthew Yglesias / @mattyglesias : @JTLonsdale What are low-end H1B immigrants? David Marcus / @davidmarcus : This whole cabal against @sriramk is totally out of control. There's no self serving agenda whatsoever here, nor character flaws. We should celebrate people like Sriram who are going to leave so much $ on the table to serve the country. Enough of this nonsense. Vivek Ramaswamy / @vivekgramaswamy : America-First means we want America to WIN. Playing for second place doesn't cut it. David Sacks / @davidsacks : @LauraLoomer @sriramk I agree there's a contradiction. You'll be happy to know that no one on the AI team will be working on immigration policy so their views on green cards are irrelevant. I think we can also agree that before even discussing legal immigration, we should completely seal the border David Sacks / @davidsacks : Number of illegal aliens/year: 3+ million. Number of employment visas/year: 140k. As a start, maybe we should focus on the 95% where we all agree. Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer : @DavidSacks @sriramk Average tech policy bro: “AI is going to put software engineers out of work within 5 years!” Also average tech policy bro: “We need to import tens of thousands more software engineers from India!” Which one is it, @DavidSacks? You should let us know what these Indian Rob Sherman / @rmsherman : .@sriramk was one of the first PMs I worked with after joining Facebook 12+ yrs ago. I don't know yet if I'll agree with all his views on AI, but he's highly qualified. We should all want someone with his expertise advising @realDonaldTrump & @DavidSacks on how the US can lead on David Sacks / @davidsacks : Actually, I completely trust @StephenM to handle immigration policy in the White House. What I oppose is a baseless witch hunt against a highly qualified American for a role as A.I. adviser. Elon Musk / @elonmusk : @iamyesyouareno @MarioNawfal It comes down to this: do you want America to WIN or do you want America to LOSE. If you force the world's best talent to play for the other side, America will LOSE. End of story. Andrew Torba / @basedtorba : This “tech labor shortage” is total nonsense. They think you're stupid. If you're a White male engineer in this country and you're unemployed right now you can't even get an interview because many of the hiring managers at top tech firms are Indian and only hire their own. Elon Musk / @elonmusk : @MarioNawfal No, we need more like double that number yesterday! The number of people who are super talented engineers AND super motivated in the USA is far too low. Think of this like a pro sports team: if you want your TEAM to win the championship, you need to recruit top talent wherever Blake Masters / @bgmasters : End H-1B and keep the O-1 visa. We want Einstein and Von Neumann to come here, not armies of foreign “tech workers” Matt Levine / @matt_levine_1 : This clash between the MAGA-right and the Tech-right over skilled immigration is just an appetizer, btw The main course is going to be when the MAGA-right discovers that most of the Tech-right leadership are married homosexual men James Surowiecki / @jamessurowiecki : This is exactly like saying, “There are over 330 million Americans. Surely there must be enough great basketball players among them to build the best team. Why would you bring foreigners like Nikola Jokic and Luka Doncic and Giannis and Wemby here to play for American teams?” [image] Aaron Levie / @levie : This high skilled immigration debate is wild because you have a lot of people who don't build things commenting on the type of talent it takes to build things. Armand Domalewski / @armanddoma : Laura Loomer, a woman whose sole talent seems to be publicly humiliating herself over and over and over, is lecturing machine learning engineers about what it takes to build software. What a joke Balaji / @balajis : Consider two photos. The first is full of native-born Americans. These are the NYT Democrats who pushed for uncontrolled inflation, child castration, limitless taxation, illegal immigration, gun confiscation, and subway immolation. They also censored Republicans on social [image] Joe Lonsdale / @jtlonsdale : My friend Sriram is America First. For USA to have the highest standard of living, generous govt services, and strongest military, we need to recruit the best and brightest and build the best companies. I'm against more low-end H1B immigrants; but let's win at the talent game. Charles Haywood / @theworthyhouse : America for the Americans. Everyone else, GTFO. 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