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A look at Apple Podcasts' fading dominance, as an April 2024 study of 603 podcast consumers found 31% use YouTube, 21% use Spotify, and 12% use Apple's app

Ashley Carman / Bloomberg :

Bloomberg Ashley Carman

Context & Ripple Effects

The April consumer study places Apple’s podcast app behind YouTube and Spotify in reported use, extending a competitive shift that had been building since Spotify’s earlier push into podcast advertising and video. Apple had also reported strong subscription growth in 2022, making the newer usage gap notable rather than a simple absence of investment.

The pattern is reinforced by a later listener survey in which YouTube led as the most-used podcast service, ahead of both Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Apple’s 2023 automatic-download change had already reduced reported downloads for some major shows, complicating how publishers assess its platform’s audience.

First-order effects

  • The study gives podcast publishers and advertisers a clearer reason to prioritize distribution and audience development on YouTube and Spotify alongside Apple Podcasts.
  • Apple Podcasts faces weaker evidence of consumer preference in this sample, while YouTube and Spotify gain leverage in creator and commercial-platform conversations.

Second-order effects

  • Publishers may put more emphasis on video-capable production and platform-specific packaging as YouTube becomes a leading podcast destination, reinforcing Spotify’s earlier video and advertising strategy.
  • Audience measurement becomes more consequential: changes in Apple’s download behavior and differing platform usage measures can make downloads a less comparable proxy for listener reach.

Third-order effects

  • If listener habits continue to consolidate around multipurpose audio-video platforms, podcasting could shift from a distribution model centered on dedicated apps toward competition for creators, ad inventory, and viewing as well as listening.
  • The sector may increasingly require cross-platform measurement standards, since platform-reported downloads and consumer-reported primary use capture different parts of podcast consumption.

The trend: Podcast distribution is moving from Apple’s dedicated-app era toward a multi-platform market led by services that combine discovery, advertising, and video.

Discussion

  • @alexcartaz Alex on threads
    Agree, also Apple has done basically nothing since Spotify went big on podcasts.  Even though Spotify's strategy is bad ($220M for a less good in-the-red libsyn, $100M for a failing content biz, user hostile strategy of forcing ppl into walled garden or not listen to their fav sh…
  • @jmsmlk Mark on threads
    This explains why podcasts. apple. com became a thing all of a sudden.  Definitely a step in the right direction.  Would honestly love Apple to invest more in their podcast platform.  The current apps rely way too much on local downloads and are pretty big battery hogs with backg…
  • @simondowens Simon Owens on threads
    Apple had something like a 12-year lead as the dominant podcast player, but it was just so obvious that the company's executives had no interest in investing in the product.  This allowed Spotify and YouTube to move in and snatch up a huge portion of the podcast audience. …
  • @neilcybart Neil Cybart on x
    Few quick things: 1) Customer surveys are notorious for being inaccurate.  I would heavily discount anything involving surveys.  There's only one firm that I would put confidence behind: Kantar.  2) Asking about “most used” service is very tricky.  Reality is people use various p…
  • @ashleyrcarman Ashley Carman on x
    The reasons for this vary, but the biggest is likely the transition from an audio-only medium to video, too. Some of the buzziest shows are hosted by creators who blur the line between podcaster and YouTuber. [image]
  • @ashleyrcarman Ashley Carman on x
    Apple popularized podcasts nearly 20 years ago when it introduced the format to iTunes. But the original podcast distributor is now quickly losing market share to YouTube and Spotify, relatively newer entrants to the field. See this chart! [image]
  • r/apple r on reddit
    Apple Loses Its Podcasting Lead to YouTube and Spotify