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A Canadian minister says the government plans to ban devices that copy wireless signals for remote keyless entry, like the Flipper Zero, to combat auto theft

🤨  —  https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ ...  #security #pentesting #flipperzero #canada Matti Aleve / @maleve@zeroes.ca : Sigh where to even begin with this.  —  The subhead pretty much covers it though.  —  > How do you ban a device built with open source hardware and software anyway?  —  https://arstechnica.com/...  The problem is incompetence with the auto manufacturers. … Sean Coates / @sean@scoat.es : Maybe they could ban selling cars with shamefully inadequate security instead?  —  https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ ... Bluesky: Karl / @karlhungus.bsky.social : We've seen this before.  You can't achieve security through obscurity this way.  The Flipper isn't anything technically groundbreaking.  It's just packaged in a user friendly way.  [embedded post] X: François-Philippe Champagne / @fp_champagne : Criminals have been using sophisticated tools to steal cars. And Canadians are rightfully worried. Today, I announced we are banning the importation, sale and use of consumer hacking devices, like flippers, used to commit these crimes. 🔗: https://www.canada.ca/... Chris Wysopal / @weldpond : Thinking about the Canadian Flipper Zero ban. Wouldn't they have to ban all SDRs that transmit? Car thieves don't exclusively use the Flipper. I've never seen one in a car theft demonstration. @papapishu : Normal people have no idea what a Flipper Zero can and more importantly cannot do. The likelihood of a stealing a car with one is way lower than just using a coat hanger. This is a switchblade moral panic but for the IT person at your job. @_freakyclown_ : Canada banning the flipper zero will just stop innovation of security research and stem security getting better. It won't stop criminal behaviour because... *checks notes* criminals do not care about the law! #CrimsGonnaCrim @flipper_zero : @FP_Champagne Dear François-Philippe, We'd appreciate it if you could provide any evidence of Flipper Zero being involved in any criminal activities of this kind. We're not aware of any events like this and frankly speaking not sure what was the reason for this discussion to begin with. Max Rogers / @maxrogers5 : If they ban my Flipper Zero how can I possibly bear arms in the cyber war? Matt DesLauriers / @mattdesl : An embarassing move from Canadian politicians. Flipper Zero is a general purpose tool for STEM, cryptographers, cyber security experts and hobbyists. If cars can easily be hacked with open source tools, it's a sign the encryption is brittle, not that the OSS tool is at fault. @papapishu : There's really no mechanism to do but imagine how funny it'd be if you could turn off someone's Apple Vision Pro with a Flipper Zero. Anton / @antonlovesdnb : This Flipper Zero ban in Canada would be funny were it not for the fact that the stupidity & logic behind this decision extend to other stuff like housing, healthcare, transportation etc. Canadian governments at all parties and all levels of government have been dropping the ball... @lizjocelyne : Seeing some panic about @flipper_zero in Canada due to this French news article that specifically calls out the device. I do take issue with the targeting of tools, we didn't ban screw drivers back when they were the primary tool of car theft. https://www.journaldemontreal.com/ ... @hecksadecimal : what people on this site think the flipper zero turns you into: [image] @ianrunkle : This just shows our government is absolutely clueless. Thieves are using tech to steal cars... but it's not the Flipper Zero. https://gizmodo.com/... Sean Wright / @seanwrightsec : Still trying to find an answer, has there been any confirmed case of a Flipper Zero being use to steal a car? @lintile : They may take away our @flipper_zero... ... but they'll never take away our - ability to clone rfid - ability to broadcast sub 1GHz RF - ability to emulate IR & HID devices - insight into vulnerable protocols - cryptographic underpinnings - derision over ignorance in lawmaking [image] @halomancer1 : using my flipper zero to do the laughing man incident irl and causing a 12 car pile-up on the i-5 [image] Dr. Wesley McGrew / @mcgrewsecurity : The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a Flipper Zero is a good guy with a Flipper Zero. I have a right to protect my family and community. Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green : The Flipper Zero bans are amazing to me. And expected. Security on open IP networks only got to the (mediocre) state it's at as a result of constant, unrelenting attacks. RF protocols are like a delicate species that's never been exposed to predators. LinkedIn: Kamel Ghali : Banning tools like the Flipper Zero is just sensationalism that fails to address the root cause of the issue and shifts blame away from the parties actually guilty of causing this problem. … Forums: r/CanadaPolitics : Canada declares Flipper Zero public enemy No. 1 in car-theft crackdown r/canada : Canada declares Flipper Zero public enemy No. 1 in car-theft crackdown r/technews : Canada declares Flipper Zero public enemy No. 1 in car-theft crackdown r/behindthebastards : Canada to ban the Flipper Zero to stop surge in car thefts r/onguardforthee : Canada to ban the Flipper Zero to stop surge in car thefts Msmash / Slashdot : Canada Moves To Ban the Flipper Zero Over Car Hacking Fears 2

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Context & Ripple Effects

Canada’s proposal extends a pattern of restrictions around Flipper Zero: Brazil had already seized shipments of the portable security-testing device, and Amazon had removed it from its marketplace over alleged criminal misuse.

The dispute is not only about auto theft but about whether a general-purpose, open-source security tool can be regulated by its potential misuse. Later coverage shows ISED moving toward a legitimate-actors-only framing, underscoring the implementation challenge.

First-order effects

  • If enacted as described, the proposal would put importation, sale and use of Flipper Zero-like wireless signal tools under Canadian restrictions, affecting retailers, owners and security practitioners.
  • The announcement immediately shifts attention to whether the government can distinguish criminal use from authorized testing of broadly capable hardware.

Second-order effects

  • Sellers and distributors would need to reassess Canadian availability and compliance for dual-use wireless-testing products, following earlier marketplace and border actions.
  • Criticism that the measure targets tools rather than weak vehicle defenses increases pressure on the policy debate to address automakers’ remote-entry security alongside device controls.

Third-order effects

  • The case points to a broader regulatory challenge: rules aimed at dual-use hardware may increasingly hinge on user authorization and use cases, not simply on a product’s technical capabilities.
  • If such restrictions proliferate, security research and consumer hardware markets could face a more fragmented, jurisdiction-by-jurisdiction compliance environment.

The trend: Governments are increasingly testing use-based restrictions on general-purpose security tools as physical theft and digital attack methods converge.

Discussion

  • @karlhungus.bsky.social Karl on bluesky
    We've seen this before.  You can't achieve security through obscurity this way.  The Flipper isn't anything technically groundbreaking.  It's just packaged in a user friendly way.  [embedded post]
  • @fp_champagne François-Philippe Champagne on x
    Criminals have been using sophisticated tools to steal cars. And Canadians are rightfully worried. Today, I announced we are banning the importation, sale and use of consumer hacking devices, like flippers, used to commit these crimes. 🔗: https://www.canada.ca/...
  • @mcgrewsecurity Dr. Wesley McGrew on x
    The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a Flipper Zero is a good guy with a Flipper Zero. I have a right to protect my family and community.
  • @matthew_d_green Matthew Green on x
    The Flipper Zero bans are amazing to me. And expected. Security on open IP networks only got to the (mediocre) state it's at as a result of constant, unrelenting attacks. RF protocols are like a delicate species that's never been exposed to predators.
  • @paultk@mastodon.social Paul Tichonczuk on mastodon
    I know, instead of making the “security” of the products we buy and own better, lets ban a product that can be used to test security.  That will fix the problem.  —  🤨  —  https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ ...  #security #pentesting #flipperzero #canada
  • @weldpond Chris Wysopal on x
    Thinking about the Canadian Flipper Zero ban. Wouldn't they have to ban all SDRs that transmit? Car thieves don't exclusively use the Flipper. I've never seen one in a car theft demonstration.
  • @papapishu @papapishu on x
    Normal people have no idea what a Flipper Zero can and more importantly cannot do. The likelihood of a stealing a car with one is way lower than just using a coat hanger. This is a switchblade moral panic but for the IT person at your job.
  • @_freakyclown_ @_freakyclown_ on x
    Canada banning the flipper zero will just stop innovation of security research and stem security getting better. It won't stop criminal behaviour because... *checks notes* criminals do not care about the law! #CrimsGonnaCrim
  • @flipper_zero @flipper_zero on x
    @FP_Champagne Dear François-Philippe, We'd appreciate it if you could provide any evidence of Flipper Zero being involved in any criminal activities of this kind. We're not aware of any events like this and frankly speaking not sure what was the reason for this discussion to begi…
  • @maxrogers5 Max Rogers on x
    If they ban my Flipper Zero how can I possibly bear arms in the cyber war?
  • @mattdesl Matt DesLauriers on x
    An embarassing move from Canadian politicians. Flipper Zero is a general purpose tool for STEM, cryptographers, cyber security experts and hobbyists. If cars can easily be hacked with open source tools, it's a sign the encryption is brittle, not that the OSS tool is at fault.
  • @papapishu @papapishu on x
    There's really no mechanism to do but imagine how funny it'd be if you could turn off someone's Apple Vision Pro with a Flipper Zero.
  • @antonlovesdnb Anton on x
    This Flipper Zero ban in Canada would be funny were it not for the fact that the stupidity & logic behind this decision extend to other stuff like housing, healthcare, transportation etc. Canadian governments at all parties and all levels of government have been dropping the ball…
  • @lizjocelyne @lizjocelyne on x
    Seeing some panic about @flipper_zero in Canada due to this French news article that specifically calls out the device. I do take issue with the targeting of tools, we didn't ban screw drivers back when they were the primary tool of car theft. https://www.journaldemontreal.com/ .…
  • @hecksadecimal @hecksadecimal on x
    what people on this site think the flipper zero turns you into: [image]
  • @ianrunkle @ianrunkle on x
    This just shows our government is absolutely clueless. Thieves are using tech to steal cars... but it's not the Flipper Zero. https://gizmodo.com/...
  • @seanwrightsec Sean Wright on x
    Still trying to find an answer, has there been any confirmed case of a Flipper Zero being use to steal a car?
  • @lintile @lintile on x
    They may take away our @flipper_zero... ... but they'll never take away our - ability to clone rfid - ability to broadcast sub 1GHz RF - ability to emulate IR & HID devices - insight into vulnerable protocols - cryptographic underpinnings - derision over ignorance in lawmaking [i…
  • @halomancer1 @halomancer1 on x
    using my flipper zero to do the laughing man incident irl and causing a 12 car pile-up on the i-5 [image]
  • r/CanadaPolitics r on reddit
    Canada declares Flipper Zero public enemy No. 1 in car-theft crackdown
  • r/canada r on reddit
    Canada declares Flipper Zero public enemy No. 1 in car-theft crackdown
  • r/technews r on reddit
    Canada declares Flipper Zero public enemy No. 1 in car-theft crackdown
  • r/behindthebastards r on reddit
    Canada to ban the Flipper Zero to stop surge in car thefts
  • r/onguardforthee r on reddit
    Canada to ban the Flipper Zero to stop surge in car thefts