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• @lemayzing42 Michael LeMay on threads

  To list two other things: They frequently try to fuck with our app store releases (I'm a mobile engineer, we have somewhat frequent SEVs of apple refusing to let us update the app store version for some bullshit reason or another. …

• @lemayzing42 Michael LeMay on threads

  They have managed, through great PR work, to brand their efforts to suppress competitors as “pro-privacy”, despite not actually caring much about user privacy (they treat their own ads very differently and they sell in China).  They wanted to extort money out of Meta, they failed…

• @lemayzing42 Michael LeMay on threads

  The explanation is simple.  Meta has almost the opposite culture to Apple.  We build free (imo bad) products that is available to everyone except the Chinese, because we wouldn't compromise on principles.  Apple builds an expensive and great product that is available everywhere, …

• @nick_poitier Nick Poitier on threads

  My gosh, a coordinated attack on Apple?  I am clutching my pearls!  Considering the years Apple spent trying to destroy Facebook/Meta through its own cloak-and-dagger games, quite successfully harming Facebook and distracting everyone from its own malfeasance, I can't say I have …

• @d.13.go @d.13.go on threads

  It's tribalism.  It's a ‘my shit is better than your shit’ mindset that people can't let go of.  It goes back to the PC vs MAC days when PC was better because “reasons”.

• @danhon Dan Hon on threads

  So this is LinkedIn for Meta now or what

• @thebrianpenny Brian Penny on threads

  Culture always starts at the top and is modeled for everyone else.  Most of the cool kids here are either current/former Meta employees and their friends.  TL;DR this place is filled with Meta tech bro culture.

• @crankyelephant Rajat Soni on threads

  I'm hear on Threads being a goof but I will never say one nice thing about Mark Zuckerberg because he's just an immensely trivial and weird sociopath.  My feeling on Apple is that they are a closed, smug nasty little garden of delights.

• @crankyelephant Rajat Soni on threads

  100% agree.  I like Apple fine.  It's good enough.  It could be better, but whatever.  I like that my watch computer and phone talk to each other.  It's easy on my smooth brain.  A lot of this feels like a tech fight that doesn't really benefit the vast majority of the public so …

• @joshwolf @joshwolf on threads

  Every social algorithm favors status (follower count, engagement of prior posts, etc.) much much much more than age.  For that to be true Meta would have to be tipping the scales, which seems pointlessly unethical and easy to catch.

• @dariusz.dziuk Dariusz Dziuk on threads

  Or perhaps on the virtue of being early and internal adopters this platform signal boosts Meta employees much more.  It feels like an echo chamber because it is one

• @joshwolf @joshwolf on threads

  If you have an iPhone, Apple pushes you into iMessage.  You can technically do without it, but you're basically handing over your messaging to it unless you make an effort not to.  You immediately get the nice blue bubble, inline reactions, threading, and other “nice” things that…

• @thebrianpenny Brian Penny on threads

  It's not just meta—there's also a noticeable presence of Microsoft employees here.  They all seem to be friends and very very few of them label themselves as meta/microsoft employees.

• @mhlakhani Hasnain Lakhani on threads

  Meta always had a really healthy and active internal discussion forum but people were aggressively told to never speak about the company in public when I was there.  I wonder what's changed since I left - threads seems to mirror the internal workplace discussion at times

• @sincera.7 Brad McAuley on threads

  Meta employees are probably both overrepresented and on average have a larger network of actual ‘friends’ on this app.  Definitely amongst tech threads.  So more content being produced and higher engagement for content on average.  Probably not a is_meta_employee flag boosting co…

• @katienotopoulos Katie Notopoulos on threads

  I think the “coordinated” element isn't probably like, masterminded or whatever.  But for former Twitter users... we aren't used to seeing a whole bunch of Meta employees speak their minds/be openly critical of other tech companies like, en masse.  This is feels new and uh, stran…

• @samstrongtalks Sam on threads

  Fundamentally, I don't think giving people the choice to say “no” to being monitored in every app and website they visit is a problem.  The fact that Meta happens to be disproportionately hurt by this says more about what people think of their business model than about Apple givi…

• @parkert Parker Thompson on threads

  PSA, because I've seen this a lot, “but your company benefits from fixing this problem” is not a rebuttal to the argument “this thing is a problem.”  We can also criticize Meta for many things.  Feel free.  They just happen to be right on this one and the lack of substantive enga…

• @mstahl302 Mark Stahl on threads

  Really?  Just Meta?  The EU has been critical of Apple iMessage for months.  From what I can see, the latest wave of criticism was triggered by a third party company that tried to stealthily integrate with iMessage and got shut down hard by Apple.  This got a lot of tech press, w…

• @joshwolf @joshwolf on threads

  No, it doesn't refute anything.  You churn up a bunch of bogus “organic” chatter about a topic (note, most Meta employees talking about it are just talking about Apple as if they were anyone else interested in tech), get it trending, and of course the larger content ecosystem cat…

• @darkzuckerberg Steven Ojo on threads

  I don't think it's coordinated, I think it's just very likely that: 1)a lot of meta employees and former meta employees use this app 2) a lot of them have worked or work on features directly impacted by Apple's practices and have had to work hard to compete with them 3) …

• @mstahl302 Mark Stahl on threads

  Social media is often about waves.  Waves against Apple.  Now waves against Meta employees for criticizing Apple.  Waves are a daily event in social media.  They don't require a conspiracy.  Just an aggressive algorithm that amplifies viral content and a lot of bored, opinionated…

• @mstahl302 Mark Stahl on threads

  The problem with the second statement is that, if (1) is true, as you concede it might be, then seeing Meta tech bloggers (or any other tech bloggers) jumping on that bandwagon against Apple does not require any coordination.  It's just the social ecosystem at work.  As is the hu…

• @joshwolf @joshwolf on threads

  Two things can be true at the same time: 1) Apple engages in some sus behavior around consumer lock-in cross-promoting products 2) Meta employees seem to be engaging in a coordinated act of corporate brigading against Apple on their own platform, often failing to disclose their e…

• @alexjamesfitz Alex Fitzpatrick on threads

  Quick, someone check DOJ's bio for “works at Meta”

• @carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on x

  The DOJ is investigating Apple, focused on how it has used its other products and services to defend against threats to its iPhone business. Glad to see the DOJ finally noticing what the entire tech industry knows about Apple's anticompetitive behavior. https://www.nytimes.com/..…

• @jason_kint Jason Kint on x

  Tick-tock. [image]

• @lutherlowe Luther Lowe on x

  Not only not “half-forgotten”, @gruber, the Beeper complaint seems foundational in an imminent Apple antitrust suit by DOJ https://www.nytimes.com/... [image]

• @adamkovac Adam Kovacevich on x

  NYT has new reporting on potential DOJ antitrust case v Apple ⤵️ Let's break it down... https://www.nytimes.com/... [image]

• @maxwinebach Max Weinbach on x

  Lets say this lawsuit happens and Apple has to open up their platforms, imo unlikely I think users would choose Apples hardware and services over others offered unless forced to use others I'd use Apple Pay over Amex Pay for example, unless Amex forces it for access to payments

• @tech_oversight @tech_oversight on x

  .@Apple abuses its market power to cut off innovative new products, deny consumers choice, and pad its profits. In this equation, it's consumers who lose. We applaud the DOJ for taking steps to hold tech monopolies accountable for predatory practices. https://www.nytimes.com/...

• @modestproposal1 @modestproposal1 on x

  What's interesting here is how expansive this is. Basically an attack on the entire integrated, closed system that Apple builds and operates. Ancillary devices, payments, everything. (tho no mention of the App Store, presumably cause of other litigation?) https://www.nytimes.com/…

• @adamkovac Adam Kovacevich on x

  This reads like DOJ staking out a demand that Apple implement all of its EU Digital Markets Act concessions in the US too. Of course, that's not how US antitrust law works. Congress *rejected* AICOA, the US version of Digital Markets Act. [image]

• @dmccabe David McCabe on x

  News w/ @trippmickle: The Justice Department could file an antitrust lawsuit against Apple in the first half of this year, as its inquiry into the company reaches the late stages and senior officials review its findings. https://www.nytimes.com/...

• @senwarren Elizabeth Warren on x

  .@JusticeATR Kanter is taking on Big Tech! Corporate monopolies like Apple abuse their market power to squash competitors, raise prices, and boost profits. This is a powerfully important reminder to fully fund antitrust law enforcement.

• @appstore @appstore on x

  What app are you using to help you achieve your New Year's resolution?

• @patrickmoorhead Patrick Moorhead on x

  I'll believe it when I see it. Apple is the “Teflon Don” of antitrust. U.S. Moves Closer to Filing Sweeping Antitrust Case Against Apple https://www.nytimes.com/...

• @garrytan Garry Tan on x

  In order to curb Big Tech's abuses, it's critical America's antitrust enforcement agencies are fully funded When Apple self-preferences, it produces a chilling effect across all of tech https://www.nytimes.com/... [image]

• @econliberties @econliberties on x

  Today's @nytimes report goes to show what happens when antitrust enforcers get the resources they need. Thanks to the Merger Filing Fees Modernization Act, @JusticeATR now has real capacity to take on Big Tech's lawlessness across the economy.👇 https://www.nytimes.com/... [image]

• @maxwinebach Max Weinbach on x

  @A1Mish Apple pay kind of does because of NFC access. Google also set the precedent for allowing other tap to pay apps. I don't think Apple watch does tho

• @jason @jason on x

  The @FTC needs to spend time on @apple's App Store rules @linakhanFTC

• @dhh @dhh on x

  Can someone help this account with ideas for, oh, I don't know, how a calendar app with habit tracking and whatnot might help you achieve your NY resolutions? They're asking for your feedback! 😄

• @adamkovac Adam Kovacevich on x

  Sounds like DOJ investigating team has put together a memo with a bunch of potential theories, but antitrust division leadership hasn't decided which theories are most plausible. No Apple “last rites” mtg yet. [image]

• @a1mish Mish on x

  @MaxWinebach The only thing DOJ has on Apple is iMessage's exclusivity to iPhones, nothing else really sticks

• @dhh @dhh on x

  Apple really has a knack for timing. To show their monopoly abuse muscles on the day that this story breaks you must rest so securely in the belief that you're untouchable. Capone would tip his hat.

• @jason_kint Jason Kint on x

  Google, Facebook, Amazon. I feel like there was one more company in the landmark House Judiciary report, Investigation of Competition in Digital Markets. https://www.nytimes.com/...