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Sources: Google plans to release Gemini 3.8 Flash as soon as Wednesday; Gemini 4 has done well on pre-training evals, but still needs to complete post-training

Internal tests of Gemini 3.8 Flash show progress in an area where the company has lagged behind Anthropic and OpenAI.

Wall Street Journal Erin Woo

Context & Ripple Effects

Google had already accelerated its Flash cadence with the July launch of Gemini 3.6 Flash and companion lightweight variants, while describing Gemini 4’s pre-training run as its most ambitious. The reported 3.8 release would extend that strategy before Gemini 4 completes post-training.

Flash also has a broad distribution role: Google made Gemini 3 Flash the default model in the Gemini app and Search’s AI mode in 2025. That makes improvements to the lower-latency line consequential beyond a single developer-model launch.

First-order effects

  • Google is preparing to put Gemini 3.8 Flash into the market as a nearer-term upgrade while Gemini 4 remains in post-training, according to the report.
  • Gemini users and developers would receive Google’s latest response in a capability area where internal tests indicate it has trailed Anthropic and OpenAI.

Second-order effects

  • Anthropic and OpenAI face added pressure to defend performance expectations in the same model segment as Google refreshes its widely deployed Flash line.
  • Google’s product teams can continue updating Gemini-facing experiences with the Flash family rather than waiting for the flagship Gemini 4 training cycle to finish.

Third-order effects

  • A faster Flash release cadence would reinforce a two-track frontier-model strategy: frequent deployable-model updates alongside slower, larger flagship training runs.
  • Competition is increasingly shaped by whether labs can translate pre-training gains into post-trained models that are ready for broad product deployment.

The trend: Frontier AI labs are separating rapid, widely deployed model refreshes from longer flagship-model training and post-training cycles.

Discussion

  • @kimmonismus @kimmonismus on x
    WSJ writes that Gemini 3.8 Flash will be released tomorrow (Wednesday) and that it will presumably be on par with Opus 5.
  • @alexeheath Alex Heath on x
    is the Gemini team listening to Future
  • @hesamation @hesamation on x
    Damn... Google killed Gemini 3.5 Pro because it wasn't much better than Flash, which isn't even a good model by today's frontier. Google has TPUs and all the data in the world, and they're still losing to Chinese labs that can't get H100s. Gemini 4 is still post-training. I reall…
  • @gavinpurcell Gavin Purcell on x
    ahhh but do they prefer it to fable 5.1
  • r/Bard r on reddit
    Gemini 3.8 Flash likely coming this week
  • r/singularity r on reddit
    Google back soon?  3.8 Flash competitive with Opus 5 says WSJ
  • r/GOOG_Stock r on reddit
    For Anyone Wondering Why the After Hours Rally - New Google AI Model Said to Narrow Gap on Coding Ability - Wallstreet Journal
  • @ns123abc Nik on x
    🚨 GEMINI 3.8 FLASH DROPPING TOMORROW >codename: “Skimaki” >beats anthropic opus on coding >gemini 4 still in posttraining we are so back.
  • @andrewcurran_ Andrew Curran on x
    Looks like Gemini 3.8 Flash probably arrives tomorrow, and will be great at coding. Some Gemini 4 news from the WSJ as well. If this report is true then we will not be getting a 3.5 Pro, and will instead be going straight to Gemini 4 after its posttraining is completed.
  • @erinkwoo Erin Woo on x
    Scoop: Gemini 3.8 Flash, code-named “Skimaki,” is expected to release as soon as tomorrow. Google employees prefer it to Opus on coding in side-by-side testing. Other details in here, including Google ramping up its work on RL and outlook for Gemini 4: https://www.wsj.com/...