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Reddit's stock closed down 8.32% after a report that the company was considering ending Google's access to its content for AI training; RDDT is down ~26% YTD

Shares of Reddit slid 9% on Wednesday after the Wall Street Journal reported the company has discussed shutting off Google's access …

CNBC CJ Haddad

Context & Ripple Effects

Reddit’s Google arrangement was previously reported as a roughly $60 million-a-year data-access deal, following Google’s Reddit Data API agreement that supported Search and AI-model use. The new deliberations put that established licensing relationship into question.

The reported discussions occur as several publishers weigh restricting Google’s AI access amid traffic concerns. Reddit has also built a separate AI-data channel through its OpenAI tools partnership, making the terms and distribution value of its content strategically important.

First-order effects

  • RDDT investors immediately repriced the uncertainty around a material Google relationship, sending the shares down 8.32% on the report.
  • If Reddit follows through, Google could lose access to Reddit content for AI training, while Reddit would have to weigh data-licensing value against the traffic implications cited in the related coverage.

Second-order effects

  • The report puts pressure on both sides to clarify whether data access, Search visibility, and traffic referrals can be negotiated as separate terms rather than treated as one bundled relationship.
  • Other publishers considering similar restrictions gain a visible test case for bargaining over AI-training access, particularly where Google is also a major distribution channel.

Third-order effects

  • AI-data licensing is evolving from one-off content deals into a broader negotiation over who captures value when platforms use publisher material for both answers and model training.
  • If more content owners restrict access as referral traffic weakens, AI companies may face a more fragmented and explicitly priced supply of high-quality public-web data.

The trend: The story is part of a shift toward content platforms treating AI-training access and search distribution as separately negotiated economic rights.

Discussion

  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    the value exchange for publishers for most of google's existence was a two way street: links for traffic. it's why everyone allowed robots dot txt to index the internet now, to keep apace with rivals, google's end is primarily value extractive. whats the payoff for publishers? [i…
  • @roshanjnu Roshan Kishore on x
    “a growing chorus of online media companies expressing frustration with the tech giant as AI changes the way people ask questions, siphons off search traffic and upends publishers' revenue models” @alexbruell https://www.wsj.com/...
  • @ryanmews @ryanmews on x
    Major publishers are considering blocking Google from their content including USA Today, Reuters, People Inc (including Better Homes & Garden). Google traffic to some publishers are down 50% YoY! Now, only 25% of traffic to People Inc. is from Google 🤯 https://www.wsj.com/...
  • @mikeparanzino Mike Paranzino on x
    Finally some publishers are realizing how screwed they are by the rigged game of the bipartisan-protected Google monopoly. https://www.wsj.com/...
  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    good, important story. google has not enunciated why any publishers should continue to work with them even as they throw a pittance with footnote-level links in the AI summaries at the top the partnerships teams are basically a fig leaf on a coming storm https://www.wsj.com/...
  • Will Flannigan Will Flannigan on linkedin
    The proliferation of generative AI in search is upending the economy of the internet.  Now news publishers are asking themselves: Is Google search worth it anymore? …
  • Melissa Korn Melissa Korn on linkedin
    Publishers used to grumble privately about how powerful Google was, but maintain the relationship because the search engine sent so much traffic their way. …
  • @stevekovach Steve Kovach on bluesky
    Reddit, Reuters, and Politico are all considering cutting off Google, which is probably the right move as Google races away from the open web  —  www.wsj.com/business/med...
  • r/wallstreetbets r on reddit
    Reddit stock sinks on report it may not renew Google AI content deal