A source close to Thinking Machines Lab alleges ex-CTO Barret Zoph, who is returning to OpenAI, had shared confidential company information with competitors
The departures are a blow for Thinking Machines Lab. Two narratives are already emerging about why they happened.
Wired Maxwell Zeff
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Discussion
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@mzeff
Max Zeff
on bluesky
In a memo to staff announcing the news, OpenAI's CEO of Applications Fidji Simo said she doesn't share any of Murati's concerns over Zoph's ethics. Zoph will report to Simo. — Initial scoop about Zoph's firing from @kylierobison.com. — Read more in WIRED: www.wired.com/story…
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@zephyr_z9
@zephyr_z9
on x
“source close to Thinky claims Zoph was sharing confidential information with competitors.” This is absolutely crazy if tru (I personally don't believe this) The CTO sharing info with competitors He can easily get sued over it
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@andrewcurran_
Andrew Curran
on x
So much in-industry drama tonight. The OAI TV series will obviously end season 1 with the boardroom coup, so this is probably the dramatic climax of say ep 11, in season 3. That means we need a recognizable threat for the season finale. Episode 12: The Return of the Whale.
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@miramurati
Mira Murati
on x
We have parted ways with Barret Zoph. Soumith Chintala will be the new CTO of Thinking Machines. He is a brilliant and seasoned leader who has made important contributions to the AI field for over a decade, and he's been a major contributor to our team. We could not be more ex…
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@yuchenj_uw
Yuchen Jin
on x
Every frontier AI lab has lost co-founder(s): - OpenAI: 8 of 11 gone - Thinking Machines: 3 of 6 gone - SSI: 1 of 3 gone - DeepMind: 1 of 3 gone - xAI: 3 of 12 gone One exception: Anthropic. All 7 co-founders are still there. Anthropic culture is worth studying.
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@suchenzang
Susan Zhang
on x
feels like the type of character assassination leak you put out when you find out one of your cofounders might be splitting off (with another)
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@kyliebytes
Kylie Robison
on x
“Zoph told Thinking Machines CEO Mira Murati on Monday he was considering leaving, then was fired today, according to the memo from Simo. She goes on to write that OpenAI doesn't share the same concerns about Zoph as Murati.” the drama here is unreal
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@_arohan_
Rohan Anil
on x
Tweet possibly damaging a great scientist, <person responsible for bringing first ever AI product that rewrote the game> reputation over hearsay from “sources” is where the field has come to. I really dislike this. Everything about this tells me this is a mess of a field.
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@nikshepsvn
@nikshepsvn
on x
@miramurati very curious to know why, feels like founders/founding team doesn't mean much in an AI lab nowadays, folks just join and leave like employees https://x.com/...
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@tszzl
Roon
on x
before cognitive restructuring: important people are leaving after cognitive restructuring: they're being fired for unethical conduct
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@chris_j_paxton
Chris Paxton
on x
Huge news for Soumith, he'll be a great CTO for leading... whatever it is Thinky does.
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@contrariancurse
@contrariancurse
on x
They never have or will make anything. All will be acqui hired eventually
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@gm8xx8
@gm8xx8
on x
Thinking Machines is moving with clarity and speed. I'm more bullish on them by the day. @soumithchintala is a rare kind of hire. The kind that quietly raises the ceiling of what a team can execute. Another strong move, IMO.
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@harrystebbings
Harry Stebbings
on x
My money is on Mira Murati leaving Thinking Machines next with a rebrand to just “Machines”.
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@daveshapi
David Shapiro
on x
Mira has altered the founding team Pray she does not alter it further
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@miles_brundage
Miles Brundage
on x
This must go so hard (/painfully) if you're The Information https://x.com/...
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@benjamindekr
Benjamin De Kraker
on x
Mira Murati (former OpenAI CEO) : Fires Barret Zoph for “unethical conduct” An hour later, OpenAI : “Welcome Barret Zoph, great to have you back!” Ummmm was... was he a spy? What is going on [image]
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@bilalfarooqui
Bilal Farooqui
on x
What a cold opener As I understand it Barret left and was not fired Why would someone want to work for a leader who would insinuate otherwise? (Besides $$ from secondary stock sales)
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@alexeheath
Alex Heath
on x
AI labs are nothing without their people
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@scobleizer
Robert Scoble
on x
Crazy drama in AI world today. OpenAI hired Barret, details here: https://x.com/...
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@daniel_mac8
Dan McAteer
on x
Was Barret Zoph fired or did he quit? [image]
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@fleetingbits
@fleetingbits
on x
some quick thoughts on barret zoph (and metz and schoenholz) going back to openai 1) barret zoph was the vice president of post-training at openai before he left for thinking machines; he left openai in september 2024 2) barret would have probably initially had options for
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@paularambles
@paularambles
on x
sinking machines
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@carnage4life
Dare Obasanjo
on bluesky
Thinking Machines broke records with the largest seed round in history at $2B. It's now breaking a new record as the first startup to lose two co-founders because they asked for their old jobs back at OpenAI. — While most of tech worries about layoffs, top AI researchers are f…
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r/technology
r
on reddit
Mira Murati's startup, Thinking Machines Lab, is losing two of its co-founders to OpenAI
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@shaneguml
Shane Gu
on x
Maybe the true AGI is the friends you made during your Google Brain residency (so you can keep joining OpenAI)
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@petergostev
Peter Gostev
on x
That's quite a coup - all three went to the @thinkymachines - Barret Zoph - left OpenAI in September 2024 to become the CTO (!) of the Thinking Machines - Luke Metz - left in Oct 2024 & was a co-founder (!) of the Thinking Machines - Sam Schoenholz - left in Feb 2025
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@joannejang
Joanne Jang
on x
this is lit, @johnschulman2 can you come back too <3
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@luke_metro
@luke_metro
on x
TBPN interns working overtime today
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@yuchenj_uw
Yuchen Jin
on x
2 co-founders of Thinking Machines (Barret & Luke) left and rejoined OpenAI. What happened?? AI labs have more drama than K-dramas... [image]
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@ns123abc
Nik
on x
🚨🚨🚨BREAKING: OPENAI JUST POACHED 3 RESEARCHERS BACK FROM THINKING MACHINES Barret Zoph > VP of Research (Post-Training) at OAI > Co-Founder & CTO at @thinkymachines Luke Metz and Sam Schoenholz > OpenAI Research Scientist > Member of technician staff at TML [image]
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@gavinpurcell
Gavin Purcell
on x
starting the believe that in ten years there will be only 200 people with jobs and they will just continually move between three companies
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@elenarunsnyc
Elena Dyachkova
on x
This tweet alongside Fidji Simo's tweet around the move being ‘in the works for several weeks’ and alongside the rumors about OpenAI preparing to go public is insane. No dramatic ai progress, just drama
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@barret_zoph
Barret Zoph
on x
Super excited to join the team!
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@polynoamial
Noam Brown
on x
Looking forward to having them back at @OpenAI!
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@signulll
@signulll
on x
uh, so like thinking machines completely imploded today? someone dm me the tea plz. there is more drama in ai than in the desperate housewives of silicon valley.
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@miyahedge
Miya
on x
@fidjissimo “Barret will report to me; Luke and Sam will report into Barret.” is the most status-coded way possible to announce this lmfao
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@alexeheath
Alex Heath
on x
Sources: More Thinking Machines employees are in the process of joining OpenAI after three of the startup's co-founders (all ex-OA) rejoined yesterday (More in the newsletter later today)
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@kimmonismus
@kimmonismus
on x
Back to OpenAI - again Two technical staffers are exiting Thinking Machines Lab, continuing a surprising wave of departures just days after senior leaders also headed back to OpenAI. AI researcher Lia Guy is returning to OpenAI, while infrastructure engineer Ian O'Connell has [im…
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@scobleizer
Robert Scoble
on x
A plunder is underway. This feels like when Bill Gates hired away Borland's best engineers.
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@ns123abc
Nik
on x
🚨🚨BREAKING: TWO MORE DEPARTURES FROM THINKING MACHINES >Ian O'Connell (infra engineer) >Lia Guy (researcher, model architectures) RETURNING TO OPENAI... [image]
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@jasonbotterill
@jasonbotterill
on x
Yeeeah I highly suspect Thinking Machines just wanted to save face by terminating Zoph for being “unethical” since he was the CTO and its kind of embarrassing to have him just announce a departure back to OpenAI.
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@bindureddy
Bindu Reddy
on x
OpenAI is back 😃 Three AI researchers who left OpenAI to start Thinking Machines just boomeranged back Bullish about GPT 5.5
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@jessfraz
Jessie Frazelle
on x
I think it says a lot about Thinking Machines that Mira replaced the CTO role right away versus doing it herself for a bit. Just weird to me she wouldn't be like “you know what that failed the first time I'll really wait and think on it this time.” But to each their own
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@thevyasamit
Amit Vyas
on x
@ns123abc @thinkymachines Sometimes I wonder what did they pitch to investors? So many people from top AI labs after gaining some years of experience, went straight to start their own something and almost everyone got funded pretty easily.
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@ns123abc
Nik
on x
BREAKING: Mira Murati's Thinking Machines employees are all going back to OpenAI >3 co-founders rejoined OAI yesterday >more employees are joining today >50% of founding technical leadership now gone so over for thinking machines [image]
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@signulll
@signulll
on x
the thinking machines situation is an unintentional tell about anthropic where not a single cofounder or high salience figure has visibly departed. there have been ~ zero dramatic exits. yes, anthropic liquidity has been low but vesting has no impact on that. regardless if you
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@fidjissimo
Fidji Simo
on x
Fidji Simo says Barret Zoph, Luke Metz, and Sam Schoenholz have returned to OpenAI from Thinking Machines Lab and “this has been in the works for several weeks”
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@alexrkonrad
Alex Konrad
on x
The VCs who poured $2B into Thinking Machines pre-launch are probably not having fun rn 😳
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r/claudexplorers
r
on reddit
An OpenAI safety research lead departed for Anthropic