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A deep dive into the CEO and history of Telegram, which has about 30 core employees, minimal content moderation, and, until recently, no ongoing revenue

Hundreds of millions of users.  No algorithm.  No ads.  Courage in the face of autocracy.  Sound like a dream?  Careful what you wish for. Tweets: @venkatananth , @tinch , @brianfishman , @brianfishman , @brianfishman , @brianfishman , @brianfishman , @brianfishman , @mattnavarra , @brianfishman , @photomatt , @photomatt , and @caseynewton Tweets: Venkat Ananth / @venkatananth : this is a fantastic read on telegram's anti-facebook ambitions and how it has become the new home of the global far-right https://www.wired.com/... @tinch : This story on Telegram and its enigmatic CEO is friggin' insane https://www.wired.com/... Brian Fishman / @brianfishman : Important article on Telegram. Extremism researchers should read this. I have a couple of thoughts. The first is that it is a really useful story and I learned a lot. The second is that framing every tech platform story in terms of Facebook is unhelpful. https://www.wired.com/... Brian Fishman / @brianfishman : More more fifth: And I hope that some of the e2ee discussion, rather than running off into an unhelpful discussion of “yes! v. no!” focuses more on what a responsible e2ee platform looks like. Telegram is the canary in the coal mine & its not even really secure. //fin Brian Fishman / @brianfishman : More fifth: this isn't bad necessarily, but it does raise impt questions about how you combine certain products, including e2ee with other features. e2ee messaging is important, inevitable, & should be protected, but the downsides compound when coupled w/ other other features. Brian Fishman / @brianfishman : Fifth, and I'm really glad that @DarrenLoucaides raised this point, is that Telegram isn't really just a “Messaging” platform. Frankly, neither is iMessage, Discord, Messenger, or WA, imo. Brian Fishman / @brianfishman : Fourth (go w/ it), Telegram isn't *really* encrypted, so why do so many people use it claiming they are interested in privacy? Friends, users don't care as much about encryption as the general (waves hands wildly) idea of privacy. Doesn't mean privacy isn't important. Brian Fishman / @brianfishman : Third (or fourth, I suppose), Telegram is a prime example of how harms manifest on platforms that aren't driven by Recommendations and Ads. Focusing narrowly on those issues leads toward joyful pile-ons of disfavored platforms but won't solve the underlying issues. Matt Navarra / @mattnavarra : Hundreds of millions of users. No algorithm. No ads. How @Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook https://www.wired.com/... Brian Fishman / @brianfishman : That second point is important because Telegram has been the central digital home for jihadist terrorist for years and tech media has paid it very little attention. Even now, in a genuinely useful article, the overarching frame is its relationship to FB. Matt Mullenweg / @photomatt : If it's with a 30 person team, wow. If it was a 3,000 person team, still wow. Just really polished, well-thought out product improvements, relentlessly. Matt Mullenweg / @photomatt : On @telegram, which is the best messaging platform from a speed, features, and interface point of view. They also have an astounding rate of iteration: I've never personally experienced a product that gets major improvements at such a rapid pace. https://www.wired.com/... Casey Newton / @caseynewton : Superb, in-depth look at Pavel Durov and Telegram from @DarrenLoucaides, who spoke with many current and former employees. https://www.wired.com/... https://twitter.com/...

Wired Darren Loucaides

Context & Ripple Effects

The Wired profile lands mid-arc in Telegram's long identity crisis. Pavel Durov built the company's brand on defiance — recounting in a 2017 interview how he refused an FBI attempt to recruit his team as moles — and that posture made Telegram the refuge of choice when mainstream platforms cracked down: it had already become a home for white supremacists and violent men's groups by 2019, then faced fresh scrutiny after [[a:962513|helping fuel democracy movements in Iran and Belarus while far-right extremists flocked to it]] following the Facebook and Twitter purges.

First-order effects

  • With roughly 30 core employees and minimal content moderation, Telegram's hundreds of millions of users are effectively governed by a team too small to police them — every moderation decision routes through Durov personally.
  • Researchers' finding that Telegram has been a central digital home for jihadist terrorists for years, combined with experts' doubts that its end-to-end encryption is fully secure, puts its privacy marketing directly at odds with its security reality.

Second-order effects

  • Signal, whose president Meredith Whittaker has publicly clashed with Durov, is positioned to absorb users who want encrypted messaging without Telegram's moderation vacuum or opaque ownership.
  • The OCCRP investigation showing Russian network engineer Viktor Vedeneev controls thousands of Telegram IP addresses and maintains its servers — with FSB links at his companies — hands regulators and rival platforms evidence that Telegram's independence narrative rests on infrastructure it does not fully control.

Third-order effects

  • If the pattern holds, secure messaging splits into two camps: platforms whose governance and infrastructure can be audited, and platforms whose anti-moderation ethos leaves trust dependent on one founder's promises — pushing institutional users toward the former.
  • Durov's recent turn to revenue after years of running without ads or an algorithm forces a reckoning: monetizing a minimally moderated network either introduces the algorithmic pressures Telegram rejected or keeps it dependent on non-commercial funding structures that invite exactly the state influence the FBI episode was meant to symbolize.

The trend: Messaging platforms are being judged less by their encryption claims than by who actually operates their servers and moderates their networks — a shift from trust-as-brand to trust-as-auditable-infrastructure.

Discussion

  • @mattnavarra Matt Navarra on x
    Hundreds of millions of users. No algorithm. No ads. How @Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook https://www.wired.com/...
  • @tinch @tinch on x
    This story on Telegram and its enigmatic CEO is friggin' insane https://www.wired.com/...
  • @brianfishman Brian Fishman on x
    Important article on Telegram. Extremism researchers should read this. I have a couple of thoughts. The first is that it is a really useful story and I learned a lot. The second is that framing every tech platform story in terms of Facebook is unhelpful. https://www.wired.com/...
  • @brianfishman Brian Fishman on x
    More more fifth: And I hope that some of the e2ee discussion, rather than running off into an unhelpful discussion of “yes! v. no!” focuses more on what a responsible e2ee platform looks like. Telegram is the canary in the coal mine & its not even really secure. //fin
  • @brianfishman Brian Fishman on x
    More fifth: this isn't bad necessarily, but it does raise impt questions about how you combine certain products, including e2ee with other features. e2ee messaging is important, inevitable, & should be protected, but the downsides compound when coupled w/ other other features.
  • @brianfishman Brian Fishman on x
    Fifth, and I'm really glad that @DarrenLoucaides raised this point, is that Telegram isn't really just a “Messaging” platform. Frankly, neither is iMessage, Discord, Messenger, or WA, imo.
  • @brianfishman Brian Fishman on x
    Fourth (go w/ it), Telegram isn't *really* encrypted, so why do so many people use it claiming they are interested in privacy? Friends, users don't care as much about encryption as the general (waves hands wildly) idea of privacy. Doesn't mean privacy isn't important.
  • @brianfishman Brian Fishman on x
    Third (or fourth, I suppose), Telegram is a prime example of how harms manifest on platforms that aren't driven by Recommendations and Ads. Focusing narrowly on those issues leads toward joyful pile-ons of disfavored platforms but won't solve the underlying issues.
  • @brianfishman Brian Fishman on x
    That second point is important because Telegram has been the central digital home for jihadist terrorist for years and tech media has paid it very little attention. Even now, in a genuinely useful article, the overarching frame is its relationship to FB.
  • @photomatt Matt Mullenweg on x
    If it's with a 30 person team, wow. If it was a 3,000 person team, still wow. Just really polished, well-thought out product improvements, relentlessly.
  • @photomatt Matt Mullenweg on x
    On @telegram, which is the best messaging platform from a speed, features, and interface point of view. They also have an astounding rate of iteration: I've never personally experienced a product that gets major improvements at such a rapid pace. https://www.wired.com/...
  • @caseynewton Casey Newton on x
    Superb, in-depth look at Pavel Durov and Telegram from @DarrenLoucaides, who spoke with many current and former employees. https://www.wired.com/... https://twitter.com/...
  • @ukzak Zak Doffman on x
    To all you #Telegram users, mistakenly thinking this is a secure messenger... Don't say you haven't been warned. https://twitter.com/...
  • @jsrailton John Scott-Railton on x
    When @telegram's own ppl don't trust the encryption... you should be concerned. Stop what you're doing & read this remarkable piece on Telegram. By @DarrenLoucaides ft @elies https://www.wired.com/... https://twitter.com/...