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Zoom apologizes for routing some calls made in N. America through China, says it “mistakenly” allowed Chinese data centers to accept calls due to traffic spike

Hours after security researchers at Citizen Lab reported that some Zoom calls were routed through China

TechCrunch Zack Whittaker

Discussion

  • @jbaksht Baksht.data on x
    Oops. We didn't know routing our overflow to China would compromise our InfoSec. 👀 https://twitter.com/...
  • @counternotions Kontra on x
    Honest mistake, rogue engineer, who could have predicted, our users' security and privacy come first, here's a $100,000 check for Planned Parenthood, are you happy now?! ↓ https://twitter.com/...
  • @patrickmoorhead Patrick Moorhead on x
    Strikes me as “Facebook-like”. Here's how it goes: -trust us -sorry, we made a mistake -we'll do better next time -fix problem -trust us -sorry, we made same mistake TechCrunch: Zoom admits some calls were routed through China by mistake. https://techcrunch.com/... via @GoogleNew…
  • @zackwhittaker Zack Whittaker on x
    New: Zoom now confirms that some calls were “mistakenly” routed through China, and has rolled out a fix to prevent it happening again. https://techcrunch.com/...
  • @maryhui Mary Hui on x
    Among other concerns including encryption & data being routed through China, “Zoom...appears to own three companies in China through which at least 700 employees are paid to develop Zoom's software...this arrangement may make Zoom responsive to pressure from Chinese authorities” …
  • @sriramk Sriram Krishnan on x
    Separately - also staggering to see the tool that most of us are relying on wish to get back to selling b2b and give up their (90+%?) consumer marketshare that they've built over the last two months.
  • @smartertrader Sam on x
    How smart is SAM Please kneel https://twitter.com/...
  • @isaackrasny Isaac Krasny on x
    I get why they have to do this, but it's taking away from what makes Zoom great in the first place https://twitter.com/...
  • @asanwal Anand Sanwal on x
    Zoom's response to this sudden unexpected surge has been phenomenal It's a team and company that really appears to care about building great things and which responds to critical feedback in a constructive way So impressive https://techcrunch.com/...
  • @stevesi Steven Sinofsky on x
    Zoom will require password and enable waiting rooms by default https://techcrunch.com/... // This is not only good to see but 💯🎯 crisis leadership. Product choices that dramatically change behavior/introduce friction —> super tough. Prev wrote♻️https:// twitter.com/...
  • @thetomzone @thetomzone on x
    y i k e s https://gizmodo.com/...
  • @manjusrii Belinda Barnet on x
    Good. It'd be better if it was encrypted as advertised (they say E2EE on website but it's not) and some kind of written guarantee they won't leak our data to third parties, eg Facebook, again. https://techcrunch.com/...
  • @briannawu Brianna Wu on x
    Zoom has glaring security and privacy flaws that should give everyone pause, even outside of the concerns about “Zoombombing”. https://www.npr.org/...
  • @themaxburns Max Burns on x
    The #Coronavirus outbreak has shown us how vital video teleconferencing is to keeping our economic system functioning in a crisis. Congress must protect the security of teleconferencing - it's as critical to our national infrastructure as power plants. https://www.justice.gov/...
  • @peterwsinger Peter W. Singer on x
    DoJ and State AGs note that warn “anyone who hacks into a teleconference can be charged with state or federal crimes.” https://twitter.com/...
  • @_g0dmode Mitch on x
    #Zoom chat allows you to post links such as \\x.x.x.x\xyz to attempt to capture Net-NTLM hashes if clicked by other users.
  • @theferocity Saeed Jones on x
    Experienced this recently first-hand, trolls flooded a zoom panel about queer memoir writing with images of graphic pornography. It was awful and saddening. I know friends who have been targeted with racist harassment. https://www.nytimes.com/...
  • @xianmind Keith Plummer on x
    “An analysis by The New York Times found 153 Instagram accounts, dozens of Twitter accounts and private chats, and several active message boards on Reddit and 4Chan where thousands of people had gathered to organize Zoom harassment campaigns...” meetings.https://www.nytimes.com/ …
  • @satariano Adam Satariano on x
    March 2020, when the internet was good again. It was fun while it lasted. https://twitter.com/...
  • @rashadrobinson Rashad Robinson on x
    Glad Zoom is finally addressing the harassment of users on its platform, aka “Zoombombing.” But a blog post won't cut it. They need to develop a plan to combat the targeted harassment of Black & brown users and engage meaningfully with organizers to do so. https://blog.zoom.us/..…
  • The Parallax Seth Rosenblatt on x
    How to make your Zoom meetings more secure
  • @alexrkonrad Alex Konrad on x
    Zoom's CEO insists he was just trying to help when @zoom_us made its tools free to a now 90,000+ schools. In hindsight, he says “We did not do a good job” preparing teachers and schools in advance, and that Zoom should have done training sessions first. https://www.forbes.com/...…
  • @alexrkonrad Alex Konrad on x
    Zoom has become the go-to tool of the at-home era with 200 million daily users. It's also become a flashpoint of controversy after a series of security and privacy concerns. I spoke to Zoom's CEO about it for this cover story in our next issue of @Forbes https://www.forbes.com/..…
  • @alexrkonrad Alex Konrad on x
    Building tools for business for most of Zoom's history, CEO @ericsyuan says he never anticipated hackers would want to join a run-of-the-mill staff check-in or weekly work review — much less that hackers would someday want to disrupt virtual classrooms. https://www.forbes.com/...…
  • @jimscheinman Jim Scheinman on x
    Thank you for this fair coverage of Zoom's meteoric rise & the real challenges that Zoom has faced. I'm so proud & impressed with Eric & the Zoom team's transparency & decisive actions to make Zoom even better. Your article is refreshing in a world of sensationalist journalism. h…
  • @mavenvc @mavenvc on x
    Great story by @alexrkonrad—well worth the read. @ericsyuan's leadership this week has been nothing but impressive. https://twitter.com/...
  • @martingiles Martin Giles on x
    Videoconferencing giant Zoom has suddenly found itself the center of global attention, for reasons both good and bad. This is a really terrific story from my @Forbes colleague @alexrkonrad, who digs into the opportunities and challenges it's facing! https://twitter.com/...
  • @wongmjane Jane Manchun Wong on x
    I still remember Eric Yuan reaching out to video chat and I wondered which platform to chat on And he suggested Zoom. Eventually I realized he's actually the CEO of Zoom https://twitter.com/...
  • @n_sportelli Natalie Sportelli on x
    “I feel like Zoom is not a part of Zoom anymore. Zoom belongs to the world now,” @ericsyuan told @alexrkonrad. As the world moved online, @zoom_us became our connecting thread. With that surging demand came increased scrutiny. Alex's new @Forbes cover.👇https://www.forbes.com/ ...
  • @forbes @forbes on x
    “I told the team that with any crisis like this, let's not leverage the opportunity for marketing or sales. Let's focus on our customers,” Yuan says. “If you leverage this opportunity for money, I think that's a horrible culture.” https://twitter.com/...
  • @alexrkonrad Alex Konrad on x
    Analysts see recent consumer hype around $ZM as a distraction. @AlexZukin at @rbccm says Zoom CEO Eric Yuan “is in an impossible situation” making everyone happy now, but that big customers are content with Zoom's security set-up. https://www.forbes.com/... cc @carlquintanilla ht…
  • @alexrkonrad Alex Konrad on x
    We spoke to @ericsyuan 3x in the past month for this story. Yesterday, he accepted full responsibility for Zoom's problems, and thanked journalists and researchers for pointing out mistakes and flaws. Can he win back your trust? Thanks for reading 🙏 https://www.forbes.com/... htt…
  • @alexrkonrad Alex Konrad on x
    Zoom's scrutiny has come during a historic run of user growth that's made it tough for it to keep up. Here's a chart of Zoom mobile use alone. Overall Zoom says it went from 10M users at end of 2019 to 200M in March, a historic jump for any business tool. https://www.forbes.com/.…
  • @alexrkonrad Alex Konrad on x
    CEO @ericsyuan says that when Zoom froze new feature development on April 1, some were half finished, some nearly done. Now he's looking to suspend all tracking on Zoom's sites, and would consider open-sourcing Zoom's code in the future. https://www.forbes.com/... tip @techmeme h…
  • @glennf Glenn Fleishman on x
    I compiled a list of every known Zoom security exploit, software bug, privacy failure, and bad decision (many now remediated) and what you can do about each of them. I had to add six in the last two days while writing & editing it. @TidBITS https://tidbits.com/...
  • @ayshardzn @ayshardzn on x
    Zoom has seen a 535% rise in daily traffic in the past month, but security researchers say the app is a ‘privacy disaster’ https://www.theguardian.com/ ...
  • @dangillmor Dan Gillmor on x
    A round-up from Bruce Schneier of the research showing how Zoom's “security” is a sick joke. If you have secrets to keep, don't go near this product. https://www.schneier.com/...
  • @dhh @dhh on x
    An exhaustive account of all Zoom's privacy and security transgressions. When you see it all collected like this.. well, just, wow. https://tidbits.com/...
  • @nxthompson @nxthompson on x
    The choices Zoom has made on encryption are reasonable. But they really shouldn't claim it's end-to-end encrypted. And they should stop with the muddled blog posts too. @lilyhnewman digs in deep. cc @dhh https://www.wired.com/...
  • @lilyhnewman Lily Hay Newman on x
    Zoom has made a lot of claims and used a lot of very specific phrases in describing its encryption protections for meetings. Let's hash it out, shall we? https://www.wired.com/...
  • @dhh @dhh on x
    Despite the confusing back-and-forth messaging, it finally seems clear that, no, Zoom is indeed NOT end-to-end encrypted, as they were claiming for a long time. Unlike, say, Apple's FaceTime, which for up to 32 users, indeed IS e2e. https://www.wired.com/...
  • @gcluley Graham Cluley on x
    A Quick Look at the Confidentiality of Zoom Meetings by the team at @CitizenLab. https://citizenlab.ca/... (I wonder how much longer the UK Govt will be using it for cabinet meetings...) https://twitter.com/...
  • @micahflee Micah Lee on x
    This is a very good and human-readable post by @matthew_d_green about how Zoom's encryption works, the good parts and the very bad parts, and how Zoom has a solid path forward to fix the most major problems https://blog.cryptographyengineering.co m/ ...
  • @ddayen David Dayen on x
    Zoom is 2020's version of Milkshake Duck https://theintercept.com/...
  • @dhh @dhh on x
    “Meetings on Zoom are encrypted using an algorithm with serious, well-known weaknesses, and sometimes using keys issued by servers in China, even when meeting participants are all in North America, according to researchers at the University of Toronto” https://theintercept.com/..…
  • @eff @eff on x
    Zoom has a lot of work to do if it wants to regain users' trust. In the meantime, if you continue using Zoom, consider these settings. https://www.eff.org/...
  • @mikb0b Mikel Bober-Irizar on x
    Zoom's security just gets worse and worse. Broken encryption (ECB), 128-bit instead of quoted 256-bit, with keys issued by servers in China https://citizenlab.ca/... @zoom_us https://twitter.com/...
  • @c1truz_ Felix on x
    Check out this blog post if you want to learn more about the technical background of the Zoom issue and its implications. Also, here is the full VMRay Analyzer report https://www.vmray.com/... ✌️ https://twitter.com/...
  • @matthew_d_green Matthew Green on x
    I wrote a non-technical post on the situation with Zoom and encryption. This mostly summarizes what we know from @citizenlab and Zoom itself: https://blog.cryptographyengineering.co m/ ...
  • @fightfortheftr @fightfortheftr on x
    Using Zoom? Their video messaging does NOT use end-to-end encryption. Sign the petition to tell @zoom_us to protect your sensitive personal and professional communications. 🔒 https://actionnetwork.org/...
  • @swiftonsecurity @swiftonsecurity on x
    Zoom is getting torn apart. That's not a bad thing. Very very few enterprise tools get the attention of world-class researchers. Even premier applications by huge companies go unexamimed b/c difficulty of obtaining and installing them. Plenty of Tier0 stuff written in C in 2007.
  • @zoom_us Zoom on x
    We appreciate the scrutiny and questions we have been getting - about how the service works, about our infrastructure and capacity, and about our privacy and security policies. These are the questions that will make Zoom better [Blog Post] https://blog.zoom.us/... by @ericsyuan
  • @taosecurity Richard Bejtlich on x
    Looks like solid research by @citizenlab. If I'm reading it correctly, actors in China could have access to all the encryption keys needed to see calls. Keep this in mind when you chose to discuss sensitive info using #zoom. Obviously no mil/gov should talk classified on it. http…
  • @gordoncorera Gordon Corera on x
    Interesting research from Citizen Lab on Zoom - it raises concerns about Chinese end of the company - ‘during multiple test calls in North America, we observed keys for encrypting and decrypting meetings transmitted to servers in Beijing, China’ https://citizenlab.ca/...
  • @jvagle Jeffrey Vagle on x
    There are two things you should never do: 1. Get involved in a land war in Asia, and 2. Roll your own crypto https://citizenlab.ca/...
  • @nicdawes Nicholas Dawes on x
    When the first phase of this is over, we are going to wake up to the scale of the information security and privacy risks we have all been taking https://twitter.com/...
  • @aaschapiro Avi Asher-Schapiro on x
    An analysis of Zoom by @billmarczak & @jsrailton reveals it *does not* use industry standard protocols for voice & video— encryption & decryption keys come from Chinese servers. Their conclusion: it's fine for family chats, not for journalists & activists.https://citizenlab.ca/ .…
  • @ethanwhite Ethan White on x
    Dear @zoom_us - as part of your focus on privacy and security over the next 90 days there is something we could critically use in education: the ability to record only the host side of a call. This will allow us to record and share classes without compromising student privacy. ht…
  • @joetidy Joe Tidy on x
    NEW: Zoom ‘unsuitable’ for government secrets, researchers say. New study from @citizenlab shows Zoom encryption is crackable and unsafe for high level meets. I understand gov is working on adapting other existing tools ‘at pace’ to deal with the current communications conundrum.…
  • @iblametom Thomas Brewster on x
    People lost their minds when Zoom was sending small pieces of data to Facebook even when users weren't on FB. Wonder how they'll react when they hear Zoom is sometimes handling encryption keys in Beijing, even when callers aren't in China... https://www.forbes.com/...
  • @mattbraga Matthew Braga on x
    Also worth noting: “For those using Zoom to keep in touch with friends, hold social events, or organize courses or lectures that they might otherwise hold in a public or semi-public venue, our findings should not necessarily be concerning.” https://twitter.com/...
  • @katecallen Kate Allen on x
    New report from @citizenlab on confidentiality and encryption of Zoom meetings: “Researchers conclude that Zoom uses non-industry-standard cryptographic techniques with identifiable weaknesses and is not suitable for sensitive communications.” https://citizenlab.ca/...
  • @susanpotter Susan Potter on x
    A fantastic case study in how aggressively “making X easy” inevitably leads to “making X insecure.” If meeting confidentiality is not that important for your company then maybe the user exploit potential is note worthy. Zoom is a risky proposition for your employees to install. h…
  • @hackingdave Dave Kennedy on x
    Example of hyperbole for the Zoom discussion and horrid fear-mongering by the media and comments from individuals that are not even security researchers This type of news is exactly what is damaging to the security industry and trust in us. @guardian https://www.theguardian.com/ …
  • @martinsfp Martin Sfp Bryant on x
    cc: UK government. https://twitter.com/...
  • @woudena Anneke VanWoudenberg on x
    An important read for NGOs, #humanrights lawyers, activists and journalists using Zoom during the #COVID19 crisis. Surely this is a problem Zoom should be urgently fixing? #bizhumanrights https://twitter.com/...
  • @mikko @mikko on x
    Zoom's actions today remind me of the 2002 feature freeze of Microsoft, which started their journey to better Windows security. “When we face a choice between adding features and resolving security issues, we need to choose security”, said Bill Gates. https://www.wired.com/...
  • @antoniogm Antonio Garca Martnez on x
    Well, if every societal institution had performed as well as Zoom's infrastructure team, we'd be OK. https://twitter.com/...
  • @andreasklinger @andreasklinger on x
    I have more years of experience in engineering than i like to mention. But this does not compute for me... Keeping the infrastructure in check for a 20x on that scale is insanely impressive. Hats off to the zoom eng + infrastructure team. https://twitter.com/...
  • @dhh @dhh on x
    This sounds great, but it's hard to take too seriously when the stance is “actually we were already doing great and being very transparent but you just didn't see it”. How you can say that while still lying about being end-to-end encrypted is something. https://www.theverge.com/.…
  • @uofgccs @uofgccs on x
    Attention Zoom users! A vulnerability has been identified that could allow an attacker to gain control of a system or collect your Windows credentials. CCS strongly recommends updating your Zoom client immediately. @uofg @GuelphHumberUni More info: https://www.pcworld.com/... htt…
  • @salhernandez Salvador Hernandez on x
    She was hosting a Zoom meeting for professional women of color, a way to connect and unwind during the pandemic. It got hijacked by trolls yelling the N-word at her https://www.buzzfeednews.com/ ...
  • @buzzfeednews @buzzfeednews on x
    Zoom meetings are being hijacked by people yelling racist slurs and flooding calls with graphic content https://www.buzzfeednews.com/ ...
  • @wadhwa Vivek Wadhwa on x
    Have been using @zoom_us but am going to insist that if people want to speak to me, they use @Skype instead. Zoom is a disaster area for security and privacy: https://techcrunch.com/... SpaceX and Nasa just banned it: https://www.reuters.com/....