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Investors and employees of Toptal, a freelancing platform with ~$200M revenue and originally funded by $1.5M in convertible notes, have ended up with no equity

but it never does (aka, gotta read the fine print.) https://www.theinformation.com/ ... Tom Dotan / @cityofthetown : After its seed investment 7 years ago, Toptal promised equity for investors and employees once it raised a new round. But then the round never came. https://www.theinformation.com/ ... Alex Konrad / @alexrkonrad : Toptal has sales near $200M, but employees and investors may never see a single share. Having major story jealousy for this deep dive by @rossmatican and @amir — a must-read for startup investors and employees in this era of convertible notes and SAFEs. https://www.theinformation.com/ ... Amir Efrati / @amir : This is the story of the most unusual software startup, in terms of structure + success, I have ever heard of: @toptal, which connects freelance engineers 👨‍💻👩‍ 💻 to companies that need 'em that prolly could get $1B+ valuation today... Amir Efrati / @amir : A startup financing lawyer we interviewed said this stuff probably happens more than ya think. Unnamed SaaS startup client of his is just like Toptal; its stock-less investors can't do nothin'. Please share & let us know of other examples! http://www.theinformation.com/ ... Amir Efrati / @amir : Back to the main thing: In theory Toptal's well-known seed investors [@a16z & others listed on its website] would own 15% of its shares & many current/fmr employees (plus a co-founder) would have stock worth millions. Instead, they all got nothing... https://twitter.com/... Amir Efrati / @amir : These days funding contracts called SAFEs give founder(s) even more leverage than convertibles. @fredwilson once said they could wreak havoc. Most of the time things seem to go ok but boy was Fred right... Amir Efrati / @amir : What happens next involves unhappy ppl, a unique culture (bots calling out employees for bad grammar), & a legal fight betw Toptal's co-founders. We interviewed CEO Taso Du Val, an aspiring 🕺DJ🎵, whose argument boils down to, basically: negotiate your contract “thoroughly”... Amir Efrati / @amir : Toptal's impressive financials appear very similar to rival $UPWK (market cap $1.6B). Toptal is basically 1 year behind. But Upwork took hundreds of millions of dollars to get to IPO. Toptal raised $1.5M, and its secret sauce is interesting... Amir Efrati / @amir : Why? Contracts used to fund & staff Toptal gave the CEO power to determine whether shares would ever be doled out. The funding contracts are called convertible notes. They're common! @pg said they really took off at @ycombinator a few years ago

The Information

Context & Ripple Effects

The day before this deep dive, The Information reported that Toptal CEO Taso Du Val has retained all of Toptal's stock because the company hasn't raised since its 2012 seed. This piece supplies the mechanism: the $1.5M seed was convertible notes whose contracts left issuance of shares to the CEO's discretion, so when the promised follow-on round never came, neither investors nor employees converted.

The story lands in an arc the corpus has been tracking for years: US tech founders wresting control from VC backers and monetizing ownership themselves, while bootstrapped outliers like Toast showed that revenue — not rounds — can carry a company. Toptal is the extreme case: ~$200M in sales, no new financing, and therefore no trigger event forcing the paper promises into shares.

First-order effects

  • Toptal's seed investors and employees holding those 2012 convertible notes are left with no equity in a company observers suggest could be worth over $1B, while Taso Du Val keeps 100% of the stock.
  • A legal fight between Toptal's co-founders is already underway over company matters, giving the discretionary note terms their first real test.

Second-order effects

  • Future seed investors and startup hires have fresh evidence to demand explicit conversion triggers, caps, and deadlines in note and SAFE contracts rather than promises keyed to 'the next round.'
  • Founders watching Toptal see a template: reach profitability, never raise again, and the equity you promised evaporates — reinforcing the founder-control playbook documented across the coverage.

Third-order effects

  • If profitable startups increasingly skip follow-on rounds, convertible instruments stop functioning as deferred equity and start functioning as loans repaid only at the founder's discretion — shifting risk from founders onto early investors and employees.
  • The employee-equity bargain that underpins startup compensation weakens structurally: without a raise or exit to force conversion, paper grants in self-funded companies may never become shares, pushing talent toward cash-heavy offers or public-company paths like the IPO.

The trend: As more startups fund growth from revenue and stay private indefinitely, convertible-note equity promises are becoming contingent on founder discretion rather than on any financing event.

Discussion

  • @bryce Bryce Roberts on x
    I've lost count of how many founders have told me they plan to raise on SAFEs... then get profitable so the never convert. Fascinating to read about someone who actually followed through with it! https://www.theinformation.com/ ...
  • @bryce Bryce Roberts on x
    One of the more interesting public+private reactions this tweet received was disbelief from founders and investors that it was possible to scale to $200M+ in revenue on “only” $1.5M raised. Maybe we should encourage more companies we actually do own equity in to do the same... ht…
  • @amir Amir Efrati on x
    Silicon Valley startups run on trust. Among the unwritten rules are that employees & investors get equity if things go well. But what happens when things go *very* well & not everyone plays by those rules? Happens more than you think. Thread 👇http://www.theinformation.com/ ...
  • @lpolovets Leo Polovets on x
    Wow, this sounds so screwed up. https://twitter.com/...
  • @bizcarson Biz Carson on x
    There's a thing called story envy, and adding this one to my never-ending list https://twitter.com/...
  • @jessicalessin Jessica Lessin on x
    An important story from @rossmatican and @amir: When investors loan you money expecting it to convert to equity—but it never does (aka, gotta read the fine print.) https://www.theinformation.com/ ...
  • @cityofthetown Tom Dotan on x
    After its seed investment 7 years ago, Toptal promised equity for investors and employees once it raised a new round. But then the round never came. https://www.theinformation.com/ ...
  • @alexrkonrad Alex Konrad on x
    Toptal has sales near $200M, but employees and investors may never see a single share. Having major story jealousy for this deep dive by @rossmatican and @amir — a must-read for startup investors and employees in this era of convertible notes and SAFEs. https://www.theinformation…
  • @amir Amir Efrati on x
    This is the story of the most unusual software startup, in terms of structure + success, I have ever heard of: @toptal, which connects freelance engineers 👨‍💻👩‍ 💻 to companies that need 'em that prolly could get $1B+ valuation today...
  • @amir Amir Efrati on x
    A startup financing lawyer we interviewed said this stuff probably happens more than ya think. Unnamed SaaS startup client of his is just like Toptal; its stock-less investors can't do nothin'. Please share & let us know of other examples! http://www.theinformation.com/ ...
  • @amir Amir Efrati on x
    Back to the main thing: In theory Toptal's well-known seed investors [@a16z & others listed on its website] would own 15% of its shares & many current/fmr employees (plus a co-founder) would have stock worth millions. Instead, they all got nothing... https://twitter.com/...
  • @amir Amir Efrati on x
    These days funding contracts called SAFEs give founder(s) even more leverage than convertibles. @fredwilson once said they could wreak havoc. Most of the time things seem to go ok but boy was Fred right...
  • @amir Amir Efrati on x
    What happens next involves unhappy ppl, a unique culture (bots calling out employees for bad grammar), & a legal fight betw Toptal's co-founders. We interviewed CEO Taso Du Val, an aspiring 🕺DJ🎵, whose argument boils down to, basically: negotiate your contract “thoroughly”...
  • @amir Amir Efrati on x
    Toptal's impressive financials appear very similar to rival $UPWK (market cap $1.6B). Toptal is basically 1 year behind. But Upwork took hundreds of millions of dollars to get to IPO. Toptal raised $1.5M, and its secret sauce is interesting...
  • @amir Amir Efrati on x
    Why? Contracts used to fund & staff Toptal gave the CEO power to determine whether shares would ever be doled out. The funding contracts are called convertible notes. They're common! @pg said they really took off at @ycombinator a few years ago