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The price per token for AI models has fallen, but costs for developers are rising as newer reasoning models require more tokens to complete tasks

With models doing more ‘thinking,’ the small companies that buy AI from the giants to create apps and services are feeling the pinch X: @ericjhonsa , @emollick , @mims , @mims , @mims , @mims , and @mims Bluesky: @prietschka , @carnage4life , @hatr , and @jessefelder . Forums: r/BetterOffline X: Eric Jhonsa / @ericjhonsa : Chatbot query growth is bound to slow down over the next couple of years. But that might not mean much for AI compute consumption growth. https://www.wsj.com/... [image] Ethan Mollick / @emollick : AI labs have managed to grab a significant piece of the profit generated by SaaS companies. Interesting piece by @mims: https://www.wsj.com/... [image] Christopher Mims / @mims : First off, is the entire AI boom threatened by the rising cost of smarter-than-ever AI that burns tokens like they're Papiermark in Weimar Germany? It... doesn't seem like it? Lots of levers for companies to pull. And experience of code-writing startups seems atypical. 🧵/2 Christopher Mims / @mims : You've probably seen the posts about how AI is becoming more expensive than ever for a lot of applications — even as cost per token falls. So I said, OK, I'm going to dig into this. What I found was interesting! And it's more complicated than you've heard. 🧵/1 Christopher Mims / @mims : That said, is there a potential knife-fight in the space of code-completion AI startups? I mean, yeah. I was actually not able to get enough into the guts of how this is playing out to make predictions about what will happen. But it's the area of most intense competition. 🧵/3 Christopher Mims / @mims : So where does that leave us? I actually think the rising cost of delivering AI is a feature, not a bug for those competing in this space now. Can't build a moat around your model if everyone can afford to copy what you're doing. Feels like a war of attrition. Christopher Mims / @mims : Also, and I think this will be big in the years ahead: An increasing share of the revenue for AI providers like OpenAI, Anthropic (and eventually Google and Amazon and Microsoft) is just “a share of the revenue of other SaaS companies.” 🧵/4 [image] Bluesky: Paul Rietschka / @prietschka : Remember when inference was supposed to grow cheaper and cheaper?  —  And the bronies were telling all of us — including people like me, who've been doing ML for ages — that hallucinations would be solved in no time?  —  It's time they're held to account for all their lies. www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-c... Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life : Earlier today I used ChatGPT Deep Research, it ran for 10 minutes, scanned 35 sites, and generated a multi-page response.  Probably burned more compute than a month of casual use.  —  That's the AI boom in a nutshell, usage exploding faster than costs are dropping.  Revenue's up, profits? … Hakan / @hatr : “So while the price of a unit of AI, known as a token, continues to drop, the number of tokens needed to accomplish many tasks is skyrocketing.”  —  www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-c... Jesse Felder / @jessefelder : ‘For all of that investment to pay off, businesses and individuals will eventually have to spend big on these AI-powered services and products.  The alternative is that consumers could just use cheaper, less-powerful models that require fewer resources.’ www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-c... Forums: r/BetterOffline : Cutting-Edge AI Was Supposed to Get Cheaper.  It's More Expensive Than Ever.

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Discussion

  • @ericjhonsa Eric Jhonsa on x
    Chatbot query growth is bound to slow down over the next couple of years. But that might not mean much for AI compute consumption growth. https://www.wsj.com/... [image]
  • @emollick Ethan Mollick on x
    AI labs have managed to grab a significant piece of the profit generated by SaaS companies. Interesting piece by @mims: https://www.wsj.com/... [image]
  • @mims Christopher Mims on x
    First off, is the entire AI boom threatened by the rising cost of smarter-than-ever AI that burns tokens like they're Papiermark in Weimar Germany? It... doesn't seem like it? Lots of levers for companies to pull. And experience of code-writing startups seems atypical. 🧵/2
  • @mims Christopher Mims on x
    You've probably seen the posts about how AI is becoming more expensive than ever for a lot of applications — even as cost per token falls. So I said, OK, I'm going to dig into this. What I found was interesting! And it's more complicated than you've heard. 🧵/1
  • @mims Christopher Mims on x
    That said, is there a potential knife-fight in the space of code-completion AI startups? I mean, yeah. I was actually not able to get enough into the guts of how this is playing out to make predictions about what will happen. But it's the area of most intense competition. 🧵/3
  • @mims Christopher Mims on x
    So where does that leave us? I actually think the rising cost of delivering AI is a feature, not a bug for those competing in this space now. Can't build a moat around your model if everyone can afford to copy what you're doing. Feels like a war of attrition.
  • @mims Christopher Mims on x
    Also, and I think this will be big in the years ahead: An increasing share of the revenue for AI providers like OpenAI, Anthropic (and eventually Google and Amazon and Microsoft) is just “a share of the revenue of other SaaS companies.” 🧵/4 [image]
  • @prietschka Paul Rietschka on bluesky
    Remember when inference was supposed to grow cheaper and cheaper?  —  And the bronies were telling all of us — including people like me, who've been doing ML for ages — that hallucinations would be solved in no time?  —  It's time they're held to account for all their lies. www.w…
  • @carnage4life Dare Obasanjo on bluesky
    Earlier today I used ChatGPT Deep Research, it ran for 10 minutes, scanned 35 sites, and generated a multi-page response.  Probably burned more compute than a month of casual use.  —  That's the AI boom in a nutshell, usage exploding faster than costs are dropping.  Revenue's up,…
  • @hatr Hakan on bluesky
    “So while the price of a unit of AI, known as a token, continues to drop, the number of tokens needed to accomplish many tasks is skyrocketing.”  —  www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-c...
  • @jessefelder Jesse Felder on bluesky
    ‘For all of that investment to pay off, businesses and individuals will eventually have to spend big on these AI-powered services and products.  The alternative is that consumers could just use cheaper, less-powerful models that require fewer resources.’ www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-c.…
  • r/BetterOffline r on reddit
    Cutting-Edge AI Was Supposed to Get Cheaper.  It's More Expensive Than Ever.