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Paul Graham likened Palantir's ICE work to “infrastructure of the police state”; a Palantir exec said Paul's view is like Google's when it killed Project Maven

One of the founders of startup accelerator Y Combinator offered unsparing criticism this weekend …

TechCrunch Anthony Ha

Context & Ripple Effects

This dispute extends a long-running debate over Palantir’s relationship with national-security institutions. Earlier coverage described [[a:1160973|concerns from former military and intelligence officials about Palantir’s position and product approach]], while reporting from 2017 noted that pilot work with the NSA did not become a full contract.

Graham’s criticism brings that debate into the startup ecosystem: the immediate issue is not only Palantir’s government work, but whether builders and investors treat participation in enforcement and defense systems as a line to resist or a responsibility to accept.

First-order effects

  • Palantir faces a fresh reputational challenge among founders and technologists who may view ICE-related work as incompatible with their values.
  • By invoking Google’s Project Maven withdrawal, the Palantir executive recasts the criticism as a familiar dispute over whether technology companies should decline state-security work.

Second-order effects

  • The exchange sharpens the contrast between companies that make government and defense work central to their identity and those whose employees, users, or backers demand limits on such contracts.
  • Startup leaders and employees evaluating public-sector opportunities may face more explicit pressure to define acceptable customers and uses before controversy forces the question.

Third-order effects

  • If these disputes become a recurring test of company identity, government-facing AI and data-software vendors may differentiate less on neutrality and more on their stated willingness to serve state institutions.
  • The broader fault line is likely to persist: public criticism can raise the political and recruiting cost of state work without necessarily determining whether governments continue buying it.

The trend: This is one instance of technology firms being pushed to declare whether state-security contracts are a core market or an ethical boundary.

Discussion

  • @caseynewton Casey Newton on bluesky
    You know what Paul Graham ... good for you [embedded post]
  • @lefwin @lefwin on bluesky
    Nothing out of Peter Thiel ends well.  Tech bro mafia.
  • @brianpiercy @brianpiercy on bluesky
    Never expected Paul Graham to take Palantir to the woodshed.  Glad he did.
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    It's a very exciting time in tech right now. If you're a first-rate programmer, there are a huge number of other places you can go work rather than at the company building the infrastructure of the police state.
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    @MabreyTed As I said, I'll be happy to delete it if you commit publicly on behalf of Palantir not to build things that help the government violate the US constitution. Will you do that, Ted?
  • @mabreyted Ted Mabrey on x
    @paulg First, I really don't want you to delete this and am happy for it to be on the record. Second, the reason I'm not engaging in the question is because it's so obviously in bad faith akin to the “will you promise to stop beating your wife” court room parlor trick. Let's make
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    @davidu Where exactly is the sophistry in asking Palantir to commit not to help the government violate the constitution? It seems like a commitment any patriotic American would find easy to make. It's frankly worrying that the idea seems to cause them so much difficulty.
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    @enthrighte Not the kind of “control” that violates the US constitution on behalf of another country. [image]
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    Now that America has shifted from left to right, we can see who was genuinely independent-minded, and who was merely on the right. Who has spoken out against both wokeness and authoritarianism?
  • @rational_wiki @rational_wiki on x
    @paulg You're imagining a “police state” in this software.
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    Incidentally, I'll be happy to delete this if Palantir publicly commits never to build things that help the government violate the US constitution. And in particular never to build things that help the government violate anyone's (whether citizens or not) First Amendment rights.
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    @yacineMTB It's precisely because I want to live in a lawful world that I said this. One of the most important principles in American law is that the constitution takes precedence over the whims of the current administration.
  • @ericnewcomer Eric Newcomer on x
    @MabreyTed @paulg what is “this promise” referencing. your phrasing makes it feel like you are dodging while pretending you are satisfying the request. just say you guys won't help the government evade or undermine the Constitution of the United States of America. it's weird to b…
  • @feulf Federico Ulfo on x
    @MabreyTed “building things people need” how about a fair trial?
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    And if you were thinking of replying that the constitution only grants rights like free speech and due process to citizens, please do at least one minute of research first to learn why you're mistaken.
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    Here are some people who've passed the test: @Noahpinion, @NAChristakis, @billybinion, @sapinker, @nntaleb, @glukianoff, @McCormickProf, @mattyglesias, @ATabarrok, @cremieuxrecueil, @GarettJones, @nikitabier, @jessesingal, @AlecStapp, @glukianoff, @DKThomp.
  • @pmddomingos Pedro Domingos on x
    @paulg What a slimy post, unworthy of you. Palantir is a great company, and was doing tech for intel and defense when no one else would. We need many more like it.
  • @garrytan Garry Tan on x
    @paulg It is possible to be pro skilled immigration while also having enforcement that makes our society safe. San Francisco has hundreds of drug dealers who shouldn't be in the city, for instance.
  • @k_m_y_l Kumail Jaffer on x
    @MabreyTed I applaud the will to attack the hard problems we must solve in order to make society better. But there's one important question: is Palantir helping this administration deport people on the basis of their speech? The answer must be no, otherwise I can't support you.
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    @RomanGuy20 Just include the text you omitted after “individuals flagged for removal” and it will be obvious to everyone.
  • @amitisinvesting Amit on x
    @paulg You know, I learned a ton from you when I was younger. Your lectures on startups are incredible. However, as someone who has spent the last 5 years studying Palantir *literally* everyday, your take on this is so absurd that it leads me to believe your ideology might the on…
  • @paulg Paul Graham on x
    @amitisinvesting In that case they should have no problem publicly promising not to build things to help the government violate the constitution, right? Unless you think wanting to obey the constitution is “ideology”?
  • @micsolana Mike Solana on x
    @MabreyTed tough position for you with 5k followers to his 2M, and his dishonest style of debate is very popular right now as people succumb to partisanship. but if it means fewer people at your company with as much contempt for our nation as paul, it will be a good thing.
  • r/ThePeoplesPress r on reddit
    ICE Is Paying Palantir $30 Million to Build ‘ImmigrationOS’ Surveillance Platform
  • r/WallStreetbetsELITE r on reddit
    What do you think of Palantir?
  • r/AnythingGoesNews r on reddit
    ICE Is Paying Palantir $30 Million to Build ‘ImmigrationOS’ Surveillance Platform
  • r/Conservative r on reddit
    ICE Is Paying Palantir $30 Million to Build ‘ImmigrationOS’ Surveillance Platform
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    ICE Is Paying Palantir $30 Million to Build ‘ImmigrationOS’ Surveillance Platform