Discussion

• @marclove Marc Love on bluesky

  Key to the ruling: Ross took the works of Reuters and built a directly-competing product that was not very transformative.  —  I doubt the same ruling will occur in, for example, the NYT v. OpenAI suit.  —  [Judge] Bibas...ruled that Ross “meant to compete with Westlaw by develop…

• @flohmann Fred von Lohmann on bluesky

  First AI fair use ruling, but probably of little predictive value for the big pending genAI cases, as it involved an AI developer that copied Westlaw headnotes to train a legal research model to directly compete with Westlaw (at least that's how the court describes it).  [embedde…

• @timinclimate Tim Baxter on bluesky

  This case wasn't about generative AI, so it isn't as useful to killing the hallucinating plagiarism machines as it could be.  —  That said, the fact that so many of the AI company's bullshit arguments were able to be dealt with on summary judgment* is pretty interesting.  [embedd…

• @bcmerchant Brian Merchant on bluesky

  The big takeaway here is that Reuters won this case against the AI company on grounds they violated fair use—the judge found the AI company was guilty because, in using copyrighted works to generate its output, it “meant to compete... by developing a market substitute.”  —  Huge.…

• @johnvoorhees@mastodon.macstories.net John Voorhees on mastodon

  This is a pretty big deal.  However, what was scraped is a paywalled service that lawyers use and costs a small fortune to subscribe to.  That means it's not necessarily applicable to your average website - but it's a start.  —  https://www.wired.com/...

• @ednewtonrex Ed Newton-Rex on x

  In the first US legal decision on whether AI training is ‘fair use’, delivered today, the judge ruled against the AI company. Their copying was not fair use. 🎉 The paragraph below is huge, and could give a sense of what's coming in other ongoing cases. Two parts in particular: [i…

• @misterfergusson Andy Fergusson on x

  3/ The Court determined that two key #fairuse factors, the purpose of the use and its market impact, weighed against ROSS. The judge emphasized that ROSS could have created its own content without infringing on Westlaw's copyrights.

• @associatesmind Keith Lee on x

  3/ For AI companies, the days of “we're just training on it, not copying it” may be numbered.  This decision makes it clear that courts will scrutinize whether AI models are being built on copyrighted works without permission.  The old argument that training data is mere “input” …

• @associatesmind Keith Lee on x

  4/ The free-for-all days of AI data collection are ending.  With courts treating editorial compilations as protectable intellectual property, AI developers have two choices: forge legitimate licensing agreements or spend a fortune litigating.  More likely, we'll see an industry s…

• @misterfergusson Andy Fergusson on x

  4/ Additionally, the Court ruled that Westlaw's headnotes met the originality requirement for copyright protection due to their creative synthesis and explanation of legal opinions. This decision revises a 2023 ruling where Judge Bibas had largely denied Thomson Reuters' motions.

• @misterfergusson Andy Fergusson on x

  5/ While the ruling resolves several issues, some questions remain for trial, such as whether certain copyrights have expired or if ROSS copied Westlaw's Key Number System. ROSS ceased operations in 2021 due to litigation costs, but Thomson Reuters continues to seek damages.

• r/technews r on reddit

  Thomson Reuters Wins First Major AI Copyright Case in the US |  The Thomson Reuters decision has big implications for the battle between generative AI companies and rights holders.

• r/news r on reddit

  Thomson Reuters Wins First Major AI Copyright Case in the US

• r/technology r on reddit

  Thomson Reuters Wins First Major AI Copyright Case in the US |  The Thomson Reuters decision has big implications for the battle between generative AI companies and rights holders

• r/LocalLLaMA r on reddit

  Thomson Reuters Wins First Major AI Copyright Case in the US