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Emails from Musk's lawsuit against OpenAI show Brockman and Sutskever had concerns about Altman as early as 2017, Sam Altman considered an ICO, and more

Brockman and Sutsekever worried about Musk becoming a dictator, which feels ... relevant.  [image] X: @techemails : Elon Musk emails OpenAI cofounders September 20, 2017 [image] @techemails : Sam Altman emails Elon Musk May 25, 2015 [image] @nathanpmyoung : What changed @sama's mind on these points? (non-profit ownership, supporting regulation) Or did he never believe this in the first place? Source: https://www.techemails.com/... [image] Sam Altman / @sama : which one is supposed to be the left-wing propaganda machine again? [image] Anna Tong / @annatonger : According to an amended version of Elon Musk's lawsuit against OpenAI, Sam Altman tried to create an OpenAI cryptocurrency in 2018 by proposing an ICO. Lol [image] Oliver Habryka / @ohabryka : I compiled all the emails released as part of the Musk v. Altman lawsuit in chronological order (link in reply). IMO a really valuable read. Extremely consequential decisions made in these emails. [image] @autismcapital : So Sam Altman felt butthurt because the e-mails of him being a snakey charlatan re-emerged in the public consciousness so he tries to take a shot at Grok and Elon by explicitly lying in a way that can be easily be disproven and ends up shooting himself in the foot? That tracks. @basedbeffjezos : Big things have small beginnings Shakeel / @shakeelhashim : Wow — even at the very early stages of OpenAI, Greg and Ilya doubted Sam Altman's motivations. [image] Shakeel / @shakeelhashim : NEW: A batch of newly released emails show a long history of mistrust between Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, Ilya Sutskever and Elon Musk. In a 2017 email signed by both Brockman and Sutsekever, the two said that they “haven't been able to fully trust [Altman's] judgements [image] Lewis / @ctjlewis : Sam was running YC. Sam used YC to create a research program to fund OAI. Sam also used Elon to fund OAI, then abandoned nonprofit - burning him and “the public,” who were meant to “own the tech.” honest opinion. Elon Musk / @elonmusk : 🤨 Saurabh Kumar / @drummatick : My respect for Ilya has increased even more after reading this. It seems Ilya was one of only person in OpenAI who saw the implications of AGI and the potential that OpenAI might succeed in doing so. All his points mentioned are so valid. Really visionary Ian Hogarth / @soundboy : “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards” @modestproposal1 : Ilya to Sam Altman: “we haven't been able to fully trust your judgments because we don't understand your cost function... We don't understand why the CEO title is so important to you... Is AGI truly your primary motivation” @techemails : [image] @techemails : Ilya Sutskever emails Elon Musk and Sam Altman September 20, 2017 [image] @techemails : [image] LinkedIn: Venky Karnam : https://storage.courtlistener.com/ ...  The opening of Musk lawsuit against OpenAI reads like the opening of a Charles Dickens novel. …

Transformer Shakeel Hashim

Context & Ripple Effects

The disclosures add internal correspondence to the conflict initiated by Musk's lawsuit alleging OpenAI departed from its founding mission. They matter because the dispute is no longer framed solely as a disagreement over corporate purpose; it now also exposes long-running distrust among the lab's founders.

Related reporting examining the founders' early exchanges over fundraising, compensation and Microsoft places these messages within a broader record of unresolved disagreements about how OpenAI should be financed and governed.

First-order effects

  • The released emails give Musk's case contemporaneous material he can use to reinforce its narrative of fractured founder relationships, while exposing Altman, Brockman and Sutskever to renewed scrutiny over their early judgments and motives.
  • OpenAI must address a public record that includes mutual distrust among founders and an allegation that Altman considered an ICO, even though the emails themselves do not resolve the lawsuit's underlying claims.

Second-order effects

  • The focus on internal governance makes OpenAI's organizational choices and leadership accountability more central to public and legal debate, rather than treating the case only as a clash between Musk and Altman.
  • The dispute gains additional constituencies: the later former-employee brief supporting Musk's challenge shows how founder correspondence can become material for broader arguments over OpenAI's transition.

Third-order effects

  • If litigation continues to surface formative internal records, AI labs pursuing commercial scale will face a more durable legitimacy test: whether their governance structures can reconcile original public-interest commitments with fundraising and control.
  • The case points to strategic legitimacy for AI labs becoming an operational asset, not just a communications concern, as founding documents and private deliberations can shape stakeholder trust.

The trend: AI-lab governance is becoming a contested strategic arena in which financing decisions, founder control and stated public missions are increasingly tested through litigation and disclosure.

Discussion

  • @afortknox.bsky.social @afortknox.bsky.social on bluesky
    Naming your company Tesla when you are really an Eddison is nasty work.  [embedded post]
  • @asadotzler.com Asa Dotzler on bluesky
    Sam Altman is a slick piece of shit and everyone around him has known it for the better part of a decade.  No surprises here.
  • @scottwillsey.com Scott Willsey on bluesky
    I think we all did [embedded post]
  • @shakeelhashim.com Shakeel on bluesky
    NEW: A batch of newly released emails show a long history of mistrust between Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, Ilya Sutskever and Elon Musk.  —  Brockman and Sutsekever worried about Musk becoming a dictator, which feels ... relevant.  [image]
  • @techemails @techemails on x
    Elon Musk emails OpenAI cofounders September 20, 2017 [image]
  • @techemails @techemails on x
    Sam Altman emails Elon Musk May 25, 2015 [image]
  • @nathanpmyoung @nathanpmyoung on x
    What changed @sama's mind on these points? (non-profit ownership, supporting regulation) Or did he never believe this in the first place? Source: https://www.techemails.com/... [image]
  • @sama Sam Altman on x
    which one is supposed to be the left-wing propaganda machine again? [image]
  • @annatonger Anna Tong on x
    According to an amended version of Elon Musk's lawsuit against OpenAI, Sam Altman tried to create an OpenAI cryptocurrency in 2018 by proposing an ICO. Lol [image]
  • @ohabryka Oliver Habryka on x
    I compiled all the emails released as part of the Musk v. Altman lawsuit in chronological order (link in reply). IMO a really valuable read. Extremely consequential decisions made in these emails. [image]
  • @autismcapital @autismcapital on x
    So Sam Altman felt butthurt because the e-mails of him being a snakey charlatan re-emerged in the public consciousness so he tries to take a shot at Grok and Elon by explicitly lying in a way that can be easily be disproven and ends up shooting himself in the foot? That tracks.
  • @basedbeffjezos @basedbeffjezos on x
    Big things have small beginnings
  • @shakeelhashim Shakeel on x
    Wow — even at the very early stages of OpenAI, Greg and Ilya doubted Sam Altman's motivations. [image]
  • @shakeelhashim Shakeel on x
    NEW: A batch of newly released emails show a long history of mistrust between Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, Ilya Sutskever and Elon Musk. In a 2017 email signed by both Brockman and Sutsekever, the two said that they “haven't been able to fully trust [Altman's] judgements [image]
  • @ctjlewis Lewis on x
    Sam was running YC. Sam used YC to create a research program to fund OAI. Sam also used Elon to fund OAI, then abandoned nonprofit - burning him and “the public,” who were meant to “own the tech.” honest opinion.
  • @elonmusk Elon Musk on x
    🤨
  • @drummatick Saurabh Kumar on x
    My respect for Ilya has increased even more after reading this. It seems Ilya was one of only person in OpenAI who saw the implications of AGI and the potential that OpenAI might succeed in doing so. All his points mentioned are so valid. Really visionary
  • @soundboy Ian Hogarth on x
    “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards”
  • @modestproposal1 @modestproposal1 on x
    Ilya to Sam Altman: “we haven't been able to fully trust your judgments because we don't understand your cost function... We don't understand why the CEO title is so important to you... Is AGI truly your primary motivation”
  • @techemails @techemails on x
    [image]
  • @techemails @techemails on x
    Ilya Sutskever emails Elon Musk and Sam Altman September 20, 2017 [image]
  • @techemails @techemails on x
    [image]