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Developers say Apple is denying or delaying notarization of iOS apps, including emulators, for alternative app stores in EU, possibly in violation of DMA rules

https://litchie.com/...  #retrogaming @eduo@mastodon.social : @atpfm I noticed you discussed UTM being rejected not only from the App Store but from all “marketplaces” (which theoretically was not supposed to happen).  —  Now iDOS has been rejected with the same reasoning, but the added insult is that iDOS can only emulate really old DOS and, especially, that it has been in the App Store *twice* before. … Craig Grannell / @craiggrannell@mastodon.social : This also makes me increasingly think that the only reason Apple opened this up was the screw with AltStore.  Delta was the headline act.  But now people have some emulators, they'll stop moaning.  Although I do now wonder 1) what happens to MAME for iOS, 2) what happens to FBAStephen Darlington / @sdarlington@mas.to : @jsnell Is this Apple buying time or do they genuinely think they'll get away with it?  And if they're just buying time... what for?  More apps that people want to buy and use on Apple platforms feels like a good thing! @jsnell@zeppelin.flights : Apple has apparently imported its arbitrary App Store approval ethos to iOS Notarization, using it as a way to approve or reject out-of-store apps.  If the EC is okay with this, the DMA is just a charade.  —  https://zeppelin.flights/... X: @netopiaeu : This is a similar approach to that which Google took towards publishers on the Google Adsense network: - Goog forced publishers to hand over data, bending the spirit and aim of GDPR. What Apple is doing is a similar “interpretation.” @mysk_co : What a huge mess! Now the alternative marketplace app itself crashes on launch because MarketplaceKit/iOS cannot renew its license. The current situation: some apps are running, some apps are crashing, and some are grayed out and can't be opened, deleted or re-installed. How [video] @mysk_co : @Techmeme @jsnell And when Apple approves the apps, they start crashing all of a sudden: Andru Edwards / @andruedwards : Apple refused to notarize UTM emulator app for global & EU third-party stores, which looks to directly contradict the DMA's rules. This is gonna get interesting. https://sixcolors.com/... Tim Sweeney / @timsweeneyepic : If you're in the EU and support the rights of users to install apps from sources of their choosing, please help Mysk investigate and comment in their thread below: Ian Brown / @1br0wn : We should probably thank #Apple for so aggressively trying to find all the possible ways it can circumvent the #DMA, in such an obvious manner @EU_Competition feels compelled to take enforcement action almost immediately ✊🏻 rather than have cosy “dialogues” with €tn-firms first Simonetta Vezzoso / @wavesblog : “ If Apple can still reject or approve apps as it sees fit, what's the point of the DMA in the first place?” - it can't.

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  • @craiggrannell@mastodon.social Craig Grannell on mastodon
    iDOS rejected from the App Store because it is “not a retro game console”.  Nor is the C64, but that has several emulators already on the App Store.  Apple rules incoherent yet again.  More at 11.  —  https://litchie.com/...  #retrogaming
  • @eduo@mastodon.social @eduo@mastodon.social on mastodon
    @atpfm I noticed you discussed UTM being rejected not only from the App Store but from all “marketplaces” (which theoretically was not supposed to happen).  —  Now iDOS has been rejected with the same reasoning, but the added insult is that iDOS can only emulate really old DOS an…
  • @craiggrannell@mastodon.social Craig Grannell on mastodon
    This also makes me increasingly think that the only reason Apple opened this up was the screw with AltStore.  Delta was the headline act.  But now people have some emulators, they'll stop moaning.  Although I do now wonder 1) what happens to MAME for iOS, 2) what happens to FBA …
  • @netopiaeu @netopiaeu on x
    This is a similar approach to that which Google took towards publishers on the Google Adsense network: - Goog forced publishers to hand over data, bending the spirit and aim of GDPR. What Apple is doing is a similar “interpretation.”
  • @1br0wn Ian Brown on x
    We should probably thank #Apple for so aggressively trying to find all the possible ways it can circumvent the #DMA, in such an obvious manner @EU_Competition feels compelled to take enforcement action almost immediately ✊🏻 rather than have cosy “dialogues” with €tn-firms first
  • @mysk_co @mysk_co on x
    What a huge mess! Now the alternative marketplace app itself crashes on launch because MarketplaceKit/iOS cannot renew its license. The current situation: some apps are running, some apps are crashing, and some are grayed out and can't be opened, deleted or re-installed. How [vid…
  • @mysk_co @mysk_co on x
    @Techmeme @jsnell And when Apple approves the apps, they start crashing all of a sudden:
  • @wavesblog Simonetta Vezzoso on x
    “ If Apple can still reject or approve apps as it sees fit, what's the point of the DMA in the first place?” - it can't.
  • @andruedwards Andru Edwards on x
    Apple refused to notarize UTM emulator app for global & EU third-party stores, which looks to directly contradict the DMA's rules. This is gonna get interesting. https://sixcolors.com/...
  • @timsweeneyepic Tim Sweeney on x
    If you're in the EU and support the rights of users to install apps from sources of their choosing, please help Mysk investigate and comment in their thread below: