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A look at a potential TikTok US sale, with an estimated valuation of $100B, or $40B without the algorithm, as Steven Mnuchin and others form investor groups

- TikTok's U.S. revenue reportedly was between $16 billion and $20 billion in 2023, but CEO Shou Zi Chew has said the company is in the red.

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Context & Ripple Effects

A U.S. TikTok divestiture had already drawn investor interest in 2020, when prospective buyers discussed a far lower valuation range for a broader regional carve-out. The renewed interest comes as TikTok’s U.S. revenue reached a record $16B in 2023, while separate investor assessments said the platform was still loss-making.

The gap between a $100B valuation with the algorithm and $40B without it makes the recommendation system—not simply U.S. revenue—the central asset in any separation. That distinction also matters against reports of multibillion-dollar TikTok losses despite roughly $20B in revenue.

First-order effects

  • Potential bidders led by Steven Mnuchin and other investor groups must price a U.S. TikTok business whose stated value changes sharply depending on whether the algorithm transfers.
  • ByteDance and TikTok would face a direct trade-off between retaining control of the recommendation technology and maximizing proceeds from a U.S. transaction.

Second-order effects

  • A buyer unable to obtain the algorithm would need to build, license, or adapt recommendation technology, making execution risk a material part of the bid rather than a post-deal detail.
  • The valuation debate gives rival social platforms and advertisers a clearer basis to assess whether a standalone TikTok could preserve audience engagement and ad-market leverage during a transition.

Third-order effects

  • If separation requirements become a recurring feature of cross-border platform ownership, algorithm ownership and operational independence could become distinct deal assets, rather than inseparable parts of a consumer app.
  • The episode points to a broader market in which politically sensitive platforms may be valued through jurisdiction-specific carve-outs, although the eventual terms would determine whether that model is viable.

The trend: Platform dealmaking is increasingly treating data, recommendation systems, and national operations as separable assets when ownership faces geopolitical scrutiny.

Discussion

  • @chris Chris Messina on threads
    If the TikTok Ban forces the company to be sold to an American company with GOP-backers, considering Truth Social's failure, WOULDN'T a GOP-controlled TikTok be even more harmful than the Cambridge Analytica era Facebook? https://www.mercurynews.com/ ...
  • @davepell Dave Pell on threads
    If China's control over TikTok was so complete, couldn't they just push TikTok disinformation to convince Congress to see the app as harmless?
  • @adam_kinzinger Adam Kinzinger on threads
    Ask yourself why, in this very divided time, reps and dems agree on the TikTok sale.  Because they know the truth, a Chinese owned TikTok is a threat
  • @edmundlee Ed Lee on threads
    Ok I'll bite on @tiktok.  It's clear Beijing has control over ByteDance which in turn controls TikTok.  But they're not after data (easily available elsewhere) they want influence.  TikTok is a media company and now Congress, perhaps unwittingly, is finally codifying into law tha…
  • @danprimack Dan Primack on x
    Just one?
  • @businessinsider @businessinsider on x
    Elon Musk would be the best owner for TikTok. There's just one problem. https://www.businessinsider.com/ ...
  • @denimneverdies @denimneverdies on x
    Democrats: “China shouldn't be able to harvest your personal data and influence the electorate. Steve Mnuchin should”
  • @keithboykin Keith Boykin on x
    One day after the US House of Representatives voted to force TikTok to divest from China or be banned, Donald Trump's former Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin says he is putting together a group to buy TikTok. [video]
  • @lincolnsbible @lincolnsbible on x
    I think Steve Mnuchin buying TikTok would likely accelerate the hostile foreign power spying issue. But maybe that's because I study gangsters.
  • @_whitneywebb Whitney Webb on x
    The first VC investment Steve Mnuchin made after leaving Treasury was an Israeli intel front called Cybereason that simulated cyberattacks canceling the US election/ declaration of martial law w DHS during the Trump admin. Mnuchin's now on its board https://techcrunch.com/...
  • @machineiv Olivia Hill on x
    Democrats: “TikTok is endangering young people and that's why we're going to force them to sell to Steve Mnuchin so he can use it to track and arrest pregnant teenagers and people searching for gender affirming care.”
  • @danprimack Dan Primack on x
    It would be much cheaper for $META to try to kill TikTok via lobbying than to pay for TikTok + antitrust legal costs.
  • @danprimack Dan Primack on x
    The most logical buyers for TikTok, were it to be sold, continue to be its existing US investors.