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Nous Research unveils Arete-27B, a post-trained Qwen3.8-27B model that reinforces Western values, saying the underlying Chinese model's bias layer is shallow

We post-trained over Alibaba's Qwen3.8-27B to reinforce Western values on a Chinese-trained model.  We call this new model Arete-27B.

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Context & Ripple Effects

Alibaba’s Qwen line has expanded from the open-weight Qwen3 family to an Apache 2.0 release of Qwen3.8-27B in August 2026, giving downstream developers a permissively licensed 27B-parameter base model to adapt.

Nous Research, which disclosed a $90 million raise in October 2026 and plans to take Hermes to enterprise customers, is using that access to make alignment a distinct post-training product. Its assertion that the source model’s state-aligned behavior is removable is the central technical and political claim behind Arete-27B.

First-order effects

  • Developers that want Qwen3.8-27B’s capabilities but different model behavior gain a separately post-trained alternative without changing the underlying base-model family.
  • Nous Research turns its alignment choices and training data into a distributable layer atop Alibaba’s weights; one public benchmark post said Arete ran at the same speed as its source model, though that is a third-party performance claim.

Second-order effects

  • Alibaba’s Apache-licensed Qwen3.8 release enables downstream labs to compete on post-training, evaluations and deployment behavior rather than on training a comparable 27B base model from scratch.
  • Enterprise buyers evaluating Nous’s planned Hermes offering can treat base-model origin and deployed behavior as separate procurement questions, increasing the value of auditable alignment data and evaluations.

Third-order effects

  • If reproducible post-training can materially alter politically sensitive behavior, open-weight models may increasingly split into shared base layers and competing alignment distributions.
  • The contest over model access shifts from who trains the foundation model to who controls the fine-tuning datasets, evaluation standards and deployment defaults that determine behavior.

The trend: Open-weight AI is separating foundation-model capability from the alignment layer, allowing downstream labs to localize model behavior for different institutional and political requirements.

Discussion

  • @nousresearch @nousresearch on x
    Introducing Arete-27B: Qwen3.8-27B, post-trained to reinforce Western values. Chinese open models are currently the strongest available, but they ship with state-aligned behavior in the weights. We built an 803-prompt eval across seven value categories, including freedom of expre…
  • @pratikg Pratik Gandhi on x
    ⚡ HEAD TO HEAD: @NousResearch's Arete-27B runs as fast as the Qwen3.8-27B it was fine-tuned from, on TensorFold 1.2.4 and MLX, both 4-bit, on my 64GB M5 Pro Mac mini - Using TensorFold at 512 tokens I got 17.2 tok/s with Arete and 16.8 with Qwen - Using MLX at 512 tokens I got 17…
  • @morganemoss @morganemoss on x
    What a pleasure working with the team on this model :-) hope many people enjoy the blog + weights
  • @curtis_yarvin Curtis Yarvin on x
    This but Victorian