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Apple sues OpenAI, alleging that ex-Apple employees stole “Apple's trade secrets for the benefit of OpenAI”, and says OpenAI never responded to its concerns

Apple has filed a lawsuit against OpenAI today, accusing the company of trade secret theft.

9to5Mac Chance Miller

Context & Ripple Effects

The related coverage turns a single filing into a widening dispute over OpenAI’s hardware effort: Apple alleges that former employees retained access to Apple systems and that OpenAI leadership tolerated misconduct. OpenAI has publicly denied seeking other companies’ trade secrets.

The immediate significance is less the existence of another AI-product update than the collision between two major platform companies over personnel, proprietary information, and the development of AI hardware.

First-order effects

  • Apple and OpenAI enter a formal legal conflict, with Apple seeking to test its allegations that former employees’ conduct benefited OpenAI.
  • OpenAI’s hardware operation faces an immediate reputational and operational distraction, while its public denial puts its handling of employee-originated materials under sharper scrutiny.

Second-order effects

  • Both companies are likely to tighten controls around employee departures, device returns, cloud access, and the review of materials brought in by new hires—especially in sensitive hardware and AI roles.
  • Recruiting from direct competitors becomes more legally fraught for AI-hardware teams, increasing the importance of documented clean-room processes and internal provenance checks.

Third-order effects

  • If similar disputes proliferate, competition in AI hardware may be shaped not only by model capability and product design but by increasingly formalized safeguards governing talent mobility and confidential technical knowledge.
  • The case could reinforce a broader shift toward treating AI hardware development as a strategic, legally protected domain, though the eventual effect depends on what the litigation establishes about the alleged conduct and OpenAI’s knowledge of it.

The trend: This is one data point in the intensifying convergence of AI development, hardware ambitions, and trade-secret enforcement as major technology companies compete for specialized talent.

Discussion

  • @bonegpt Bone on x
    apple's openAI case is so bearish for oAI. apple controls the most valuable surface. they are accusing the whole company, not just some ex employees. if discovery shows openAI really does act like this who will want to deal with them? apple has huge leverage right now, bet sam
  • @elonmusk Elon Musk on x
    @mweinbach Sounds pretty bad
  • @joannastern Joanna Stern on x
    “LOL.” As someone who recently left a job, I can tell you I lost access to everything on my final day. Couldn't even get to the newsroom birthday calendar if I tried. This is obviously different, but it does make Apple's security look... not great. [image]
  • @katiemiller Katie Miller on x
    Sam Altman, thief.
  • @luke_metro @luke_metro on x
    The AI talent wars ... are just purchasing trade secrets?
  • @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x
    OpenAI has had QUITE the past 48 hours... 🎢
  • @edludlow Ed Ludlow on x
    Apple is seeking:  · A jury trial.  · An order requiring OpenAI to stop the alleged misuse of Apple's trade secrets.  · Destruction of any Apple proprietary materials in OpenAI's possession.  · Redesign of upcoming OpenAI hardware products so they do not incorporate Apple's techn…
  • @mweinbach Max Weinbach on x
    @DicksonPau Ok my nuance here This sounds a lot like IO/Lovefrom and my understanding of a lot of how they work, less so OpenAI directly (they just own it but this likely happened before Lovefrom/OAI merger) When it comes to Apple's engineering and design, literally anyone that w…
  • @joannastern Joanna Stern on x
    Oh please don't settle. Discovery and court filings gonna be such great reading. 🍿
  • @katiemiller Katie Miller on x
    Apple confirms what @elonmusk sued over in the first place: OpenAI are thieves. [image]
  • @luke_metro @luke_metro on x
    So many NDAs have been broken by the “give a presentation on your past projects” style of job interview
  • @bluthcapital @bluthcapital on x
    Wait you're telling me a company whose core product involved stealing all copyrighted intellectual property ever created decided to enter a new market and the first thing it did was steal IP? Every genVideo was trained off YouTube bc without it there wasn't enough training data.
  • @caro_milanesi Carolina Milanesi on x
    OpenAI had a chance to answer Apple's suit with its own capability and chose posture instead.  “No interest in trade secrets” plus “focused on innovation” is the response of a company defending its brand, not its engineering.  The credible rebuttal to a theft allegation is proof …
  • @alexeheath Alex Heath on x
    At WWDC, Apple execs I met with were ice-cold when I asked about their OpenAI partnership.  Now we know why: Apple just sued OpenAI for allegedly stealing trade secrets related to consumer hardware (Apple and OAI senior leaders are in Sun Valley this week.  Yikes!)
  • @lexnfx Alexei Oreskovic on x
    Apple's lawsuit lists IO Products as defendant but carefuly avoids naming Jony Ive, citing only Tang Tan and “other former Apple leaders” A nod to the indecorous optics of suing Ive? Or is the suit essentially Apple's way of doing a non-compete in California?
  • @alexeheath Alex Heath on x
    Apple statement: “At Apple, our teams are constantly developing breakthrough technologies to create the best products and services in the world, and protecting their work and intellectual property is something we take very seriously.  Recently, significant evidence has emerged su…
  • @signulll @signulll on x
    just so that this is clear, apple is suing openai & io, the company founded by its own former chief design officer, jony ive.  you genuinely could not write an episode of the ai wars this dramatic.  that script would be rejected for being too on the nose.  can you imagine steve j…
  • @davetroy Dave Troy on x
    It would neither sadden nor surprise me to see this completely nuke OpenAI and Sam Altman permanently. They're not playing, and OpenAI is so heavily leveraged they can't deal with this kind of threat and spin plates at the same time.
  • @gerritd Gerrit De Vynck on x
    The Apple lawsuit against OpenAI is the most aggressive and intense I've seen since Waymo/Uber. Apple is saying OpenAI has been trying to rip them off cold and the whole OAI hardware drive is built on Apple IP This is a way bigger deal to OpenAI than the Elon lawsuit was IMO
  • @gerritd Gerrit De Vynck on x
    Major allegations about an Apple employee who joined OpenAI in Jan 2026, kept a laptop, found an exploit in Apple's systems and stole files over a multi-week time. This is similar to what Anthony Levandowski was accused of doing by Google back in 2018 [image]
  • @mgsiegler M.G. Siegler on x
    Just about a month ago, when it was rumored that *OpenAI* might sue Apple... https://spyglass.org/... [image]
  • @garymarcus Gary Marcus on x
    reminds me of the time Greg Brockman personally downloaded YouTube videos for training purposes, as reported in NYT.
  • @edzitron.com Ed Zitron on bluesky
    The OpenAI-Apple lawsuit is so funny, it's just exhibit after exhibit of a guy saying “hey guys i have access to this laptop of trade secrets, where do you want them” and “yeah I'm not meant to have this for sure!”
  • @snell.zone Jason Snell on bluesky
    Hey remember when OpenAI leaked to Bloomberg that it was thinking of talking to lawyers about suing Apple? [embedded post]
  • @timobrien Tim O'Brien on bluesky
    Apple has filed a lawsuit against OpenAI today, accusing the company of trade secret theft.  Specifically, Apple alleges that its former employees have stolen trade secrets “for the benefit of OpenAI.” 9to5mac.com/2026/07/10/a...
  • @caseynewton Casey Newton on bluesky
    ANOTHER crazy allegation: OpenAI tricked one of Apple's partners into showing OpenAI its secret metal-finishing process, telling them that Apple had given them its permission (lol) [image]
  • r/apple r on reddit
    Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets
  • @mweinbach Max Weinbach on x
    The more I read of the Apple lawsuit against Liu and Tan, the less it seems like Apple is trying to sue OpenAI and more they are suing those two and OpenAI is included to make sure Apple IP doesn't make it into their production We'll see, I don't expect this to be super dramatic
  • @quinnypig Corey Quinn on x
    “What a crap company with bad ethics” is quite the statement from Apple though, given the current native first party integration to iOS. My dude, you partnered with them.
  • @quinnypig Corey Quinn on x
    Apple corpsec though: * A departing employee allegedly kept an Apple-issued laptop * His access was apparently not revoked * He could still reach shared storage through an authentication flaw * He could use a current employee's device. * They didn't detect this for WEEKS 🤡🤡🤡
  • @quinnypig Corey Quinn on x
    Okay. Read the lawsuit. The named dude (Liu) is gonna get nailed to the wall; they've got him dead to rights. The accusations against OpenAI itself are a hell of a lot more tenuous.
  • @peard33 Paresh Dave on x
    OpenAI hardware chief Tang Tan allegedly helped coach recruits on how to evade Apple's data security protocols and directed them to bring confidential Apple parts to job interviews at OpenAI. @ZeffMax https://www.wired.com/...
  • @mweinbach Max Weinbach on x
    This seems insane and yet completely believable We'll see how it plays out I guess!
  • @markgurman Mark Gurman on x
    BREAKING: Apple is suing OpenAI, accusing it and its hardware chief of a coordinating trade secret theft campaign to help build its upcoming suite of AI devices.
  • @quinnypig Corey Quinn on x
    The dude though, yikes. Retained access to Apple systems post departure (great job Apple Corp Infosec; take a bow!), told other Apple folks to bring stuff with them. But no evidence yet that OpenAI as an entity sanctioned this.
  • @parkerortolani Parker Ortolani on x
    worth noting that Tang reported to Ternus, which I'm sure makes this a whole lot more personal
  • @timkellogg.me Mr. Tim on bluesky
    Jonny Ive, the iPhone designer, quit Apple to do an AI hardware venture with Sam Altman and now Apple is suing over IP theft www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/07/...
  • @rebelliousresource @rebelliousresource on bluesky
    50/50 chance they reach some billion-dollar-backdoor-deal before we get to discovery, but my Gen X soul hopes they go full Coke v Pepsi.  In public.  Ugly AF.  Just like the good ol' days.
  • @caseynewton Casey Newton on bluesky
    This story is bonkers.  Alleges that OpenAI told job candidates to steal unreleased product components and BRING THEM TO JOB INTERVIEWS.  —  Assuming it's true — Did Altman know?  Did Jony Ive? [embedded post]
  • @nixCraft@mastodon.social @nixCraft@mastodon.social on mastodon
    Apple sues OpenAI, alleging it stole top-secret information.  😂 Sam Altman has stolen information, art, books, songs, trade secrets and whatnot from everyone and now APPLE alleges that the AI lab took Apple's intellectual property in order to develop its own consumer hardware htt…
  • r/wallstreetbets r on reddit
    Apple sues OpenAI alleging trade secret theft, says scheme was ‘at every level’
  • r/OpenAI r on reddit
    Apple Is Suing OpenAI for Allegedly Stealing Hardware Secrets
  • r/wallstreetbets r on reddit
    Apple Is Suing OpenAI for Allegedly Stealing Hardware Secrets
  • @quinnypig Corey Quinn on x
    Apple is *IRATE* that after looking at what OpenAI is doing backwards, forwards, and upside down, they just can't find a way to shake them down for 30% of their revenue.
  • @caseynewton Casey Newton on bluesky
    Do you know how mad Apple has to be to put this in a legal document about one of its partners [embedded post]
  • @radiodeadair.com Nash on bluesky
    The United States has crumbled to the point we only selectively enforce corporate regulations, and things like this are the result.  —  Literally *no one* has stopped OpenAI from doing whatever they please, meaning they just continue to break the law as a matter of routine.
  • r/MediaMergers r on reddit
    WSJ: Apple Sues OpenAI, Alleging It Stole Trade Secrets
  • r/technology r on reddit
    Apple Sues OpenAI, Alleging It Stole Trade Secrets
  • @parkerortolani Parker Ortolani on x
    just for a second... imagine Steve Jobs' nuclear reaction to Jony and the design team attempting a raiding like this
  • r/popculturechat r on reddit
    Apple Sues OpenAI, Accusing It of Stealing Company Secrets
  • r/law r on reddit
    Apple Sues OpenAI for Trade Secret Theft in Blockbuster Case
  • @ns123abc Nik on x
    >be Chang Liu >senior system electrical engineer at Apple >8 years working on iphone >january 2026: leave Apple to join OpenAI >apple asks for laptop back >ignore them >lmao it's my laptop now >within HOURS of leaving >message Yu-Ting “Alyssa” Peng, friend at Apple: Liu: “I [imag…
  • @antoniogm Antonio García Martínez on x
    As someone who knows a thing or two about departing Apple and ensuing dramas: 1.  When the shit hits the fan or you know you're going to a rival, you shut your laptop 2.  Don't touch it again, for any reason 3.  Formally give it back keeping every receipt possible There, now noth…
  • r/BetterOffline r on reddit
    Apple sues OpenAI over trade secrets
  • @drewpusateri Drew Pusateri on x
    Our statement in response to this suit: We have no interest in other companies' trade secrets. We remain focused on building innovative technology that empowers people everywhere.
  • @stephenrobles Stephen Robles on x
    “We have no interest in other companies' secrets” while hiring Jony Ive to make you a device rings pretty hollow.
  • @spencerdailey Spencer Dailey on bluesky
    Company that ushered in an era of ai trained extensively on others ip without permission: “we don't have interest in others ip without permission”.  Rings hollow [embedded post]
  • @caseynewton Casey Newton on bluesky
    A classic non-denial denial [embedded post]
  • @benschwartz Ben Schwartz on bluesky
    Doesn't Apple see how AI using all its trade secrets will unleash a flood of creative energy and inspiration in its soon to be laid off employees with the new Sam Altman AiPhone 1.0 [embedded post]
  • @andylevy.net @andylevy.net on bluesky
    i see no reason to think that openAI would steal information [embedded post]