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• @bgurley Bill Gurley on x

  Great read. Amazing details.

• @brij Brij Singh on x

  Good post, this observation is super interesting- “In China, the LLM community feels far more like an ecosystem than battling tribes. Across many off the record conversations, it's nothing but respect for peers. All of the Chinese labs fear Bytedance with their popular Doubao

• @teortaxestex @teortaxestex on x

  Old enough to remember years of fearmongering about Chinese data advantage (they're so unscrupulous, they don't respect IP! CCP Inc.! The Party will just provide its Champions - iFlyTek probably - with the entire scraped WeChat!) nah, Americans lead in data by a light year [image…

• @rexliu Rex Liu on x

  It's a really wonderful piece on the cultural differences between the two AI powers. Give it a read if you're curious how the world changes. [image]

• @keunwoochoi Keunwoo Choi on x

  love this article. super helpful, honest, and humbling. the cultural difference and the positivity are all very well aligned with my experience. thanks a lot for sharing!! @natolambert

• @govviz Viren on x

  Ton of gems in here regarding chinese ai labs. the one that stood out to me was the rl env market in China it's quite fascinating the difference in strategy btwn the US and China on data: The US buys and China builds. in general, frontier labs are bottlenecked on figuring out

• @zephyr_z9 @zephyr_z9 on x

  “almost no data industry” Their biggest weakness

• @dorialexander Alexander Doria on x

  Singling out this part: there is a deep bet in Chinese industry that the model layer is the full stack worth mastering. [image]

• @fleetingbits @fleetingbits on x

  some thoughts on exploring the chinese ai ecosystem 1) i think that @natolambert's article on his visit to china is a good example of how not to do analysis of a foreign ai ecosystem 2) the @readsail team visited china as part of a trip to talk to the major chinese ai labs;

• @shahules786 Ikka on x

  Chinese AI labs are big on building their environments/scalable data mining processes. Many of our works are inspired from their open works.

• @sandeepssrin Sandeep Srinivasa on x

  This is an incredible story about the Chinese AI labs. “There's an immediate reality at all of the labs that a large proportion of the core contributors are active students. This is incredibly different from the top labs in the US, where the likes of OpenAI, Anthropic, Cursor”

• @natolambert Nathan Lambert on x

  Visiting most of the leading Chinese AI labs, I'm struck by a culture that's extremely well suited to building LLMs with fewer resources, but one happening in a very different ecosystem, more companies at play, almost no data industry, etc. Full report: https://www.interconnects.…

• Jack Shanahan Jack Shanahan on linkedin

  The echo-chamber effect in American AI distorts the conversation more often than not.  —  Whatever faults you might find with this piece, it's worth reading closely. …