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Musk v. Altman: internal 2017 emails show Musk sought majority voting control over OpenAI co-founders, withheld promised funding, and tried to poach researchers

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  • @brbarrett Brian Barrett on bluesky
    The thing about suing someone is they can drag up old emails you sent and read them out loud in front of everybody which tbh sounds like a GREAT reason never to sue anybody ever at all. from @mzeff.bsky.social
  • @miles_brundage Miles Brundage on x
    @ZeffMax I mean safety card isn't really the term, it's system card, but yeah not a great look + he should have been like “you mean system card” if he were engaged in this kind of stuff in detail
  • @garymarcus Gary Marcus on x
    Scary that he doesn't know this.
  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    OpenAI's counsel is needling Musk on whether he read a document in full, and Musk forcefully responding by saying he essentially got the gist by reading the top of the document. Savitt seems to be intentionally pressing Musk to get under his skin, and it appears to be working.
  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    Savitt has a new tactic: Reminding the jury of Musk's association with President Donald Trump. Savitt notes that Musk has made close associations with Trump and David Sacks, the president's A.I. and Crypto Czar. This is important. A not insignificant part of the pre-trial
  • @_nathancalvin Nathan Calvin on x
    Its system card not safety card, and preparedness framework is the name of OpenAI's specific safety framework. That said... it's pretty obvious what these are referring to for someone who works in ai safety and with xAI's observed safety record it does not inspire confidence.
  • @michelletomkim Michelle Kim on x
    @techreview OpenAI's lawyer points out a text message that Elon sent to Shivon Zilis, who is a former OpenAI board member and the mother of four of Musk's children. “We should get going on creating the b corp as I promised Greg and Ilya,” he wrote. Elon testifies that he may have…
  • @zeffmax Max Zeff on x
    Elon Musk just said on the witness stand that he doesn't know what a “safety card” is with regard to AI development... “Why would it be a card?” He also says he doesn't know what a preparedness framework is.
  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    Savitt laying into Musk and Musk is giving it right back. probably the most combative part of the trial yet, and much of it is focused on quibbling over lines in the documents
  • @mikeisaac Rat King on x
    Musk is visibly frustrated with Savitt's questioning, calling his questions “definitionally complex” and that Savitt has told a “lie” when he says he's asking simple questions. Musk also lashes out at Altman. Savitt has displayed an email from 2018 in which Shivon Zillis,
  • @ceodonovan Caroline O'Donovan on x
    Musk's example of what a simple yes or no question might be — “Have you stopped beating your wife?” — did not go over well with the judge but garnered even more guffawing from the crowd.
  • @ceodonovan Caroline O'Donovan on x
    The judge is getting into it now, telling Musk, “Is it true or false? It's very simple.” The peanut gallery in the overflow room is cracking up.
  • @hadas_gold Hadas Gold on x
    @elonmusk ... Omg Musk just tried to make an example of hard to answer yes or no questions like “have you stopped beating your wife” judge cuts him off
  • @ceodonovan Caroline O'Donovan on x
    OpenAI lawyer: “It's a simple question.” Musk: “Your questions are not simple. They are designed to trick me.”
  • @ceodonovan Caroline O'Donovan on x
    Sparks are starting to fly now that we're in cross examination. Musk is pushing back against OpenAI's lawyers, challenging the idea that he got tax breaks for his donations to OpenAI and arguing about the actual dollar amount he put into the company.
  • @karlbode.com Karl Bode on bluesky
    this court fight (and surrounding, mostly terrible journalism) is fascinating to me because neither of these two gentlemen care about anything outside of their own wealth and power  —  but that's buried under conflicting mythologies that they are both trying to build a better tom…
  • @lorak Lora Kolodny on bluesky
    Musk v. Altman trial continues.  We're in the court currently listening to William Savitt, lead counsel for OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, grilling Musk in a cross-examination... www.cnbc.com/2026/04/29/m...  (w/ Ashley Capoot, Kate Rooney & Jeffrey Kopp) @cnbc.com
  • @donmoyn Don Moynihan on bluesky
    Its funny that Musk never once faced Congress to explain his takeover of the American government, but is happy to testify under oath if he can kneecap a fellow tech CEO.  Like, could Altman's lawyers ask a few DOGE questions?  —  www.nytimes.com/live/2026/04...
  • r/EnoughMuskSpam r on reddit
    Live Updates: Elon Musk Says He Was ‘a Fool’ to Fund OpenAI
  • r/NewsOfTheStupid r on reddit
    WIRED: Elon Musk Testifies That He Started OpenAI to Prevent a ‘Terminator Outcome’
  • @zeffmax Max Zeff on x
    Musk also told a Neuralink exec they could hire directly from OpenAI, and pitch people who work there to come to Neuralink. On the witness stand, Musk tried to argue it would be illegal for his companies not to hire people from OpenAI. Musk also said Andrej wanted to leave [image…
  • @zeffmax Max Zeff on x
    New: Musk was cross-examined by OpenAI's lawyers in federal court today. They pressed him on all the ways he squeezed OpenAI over a power struggle in 2017, including by hiring away talent and cutting off funding. Here's an email Musk sent about hiring Andrej Karpathy. [image]
  • @zeffmax Max Zeff on x
    Musk had also been sending $5 million quarterly payments to OpenAI as part of a larger $1 billion funding commitment he made at the org's launch. Around this time, he instructed the head of his family office, Jared Birchall, to stop paying them. Musk said this was because he [ima…