The Anthropic-DOD skirmish is the first major public debate on control over frontier AI, and institutions behaved erratically, maliciously, and without clarity
On Anthropic and the Department of War — I. — A little more than a decade ago, I sat with my father and watched him die.
Hyperdimensional Dean W. Ball
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Discussion
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@boazbaraktcs
Boaz Barak
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Extremely well put @deanwball ! A must read essay. My position is that: 1. Anthropic is a great company, people who work there care deeply about AI safety and the benefit of the U.S. Tagging it as a “supply chain risk” is a massive own-goal to American AI leadership. 2. The
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@lessin
@lessin
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This is the smartest overall thing. i have read on claude / dow dynamic
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@sammcallister
Sam Mcallister
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@aidan_mclau @scrollvoid This isn't true. Anthropic hasn't offered a “helpful-only” model without safeguards for NatSec use. Claude Gov is a custom model with extra training, including technical safeguards. (We've also had FDEs and researchers implementing it, and we run our own …
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@danprimack
Dan Primack
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There is a valid argument for DoD not wanting to work w/ cos that used Claude in products being sold to DoD, given mission disagreement between the company and DoD. There is no good argument for banning Claude use at other, non-national security depts. Beyond spite.
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@liv_boeree
Liv Boeree
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Fascinating piece from someone close to the DoW/Anthropic skirmish. Worth reading.
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@matthew_meyers5
Matthew Meyers
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Many policy failures are downstream from this dynamic [image]
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@_coenen
Andy Coenen
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This essay perfectly captures why the Anthropic fiasco matters
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@albertwenger
Albert Wenger
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Eloquent essay on why the bully treatment of @AnthropicAI by the administration is profoundly bad. Everyone in tech should be speaking up.
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@itsurboyevan
Evan Armstrong
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Excellent—people seem to have forgotten that what makes America great is fundamental rights of speech, private property, and enforcement of contracts. I disagree with Dean on many (most?) AI policies, but without contract law that debate is meaningless.
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@afinetheorem
Kevin A. Bryan
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Re: DoD-Anthropic craziness & @deanwball's great essay today: let's try a steelman USG defense. You are Canada, or a future D admin in the US. Contract w/ Starlink to handle all govt comms or similar. You worry it is so integrated & important - what if Elon shuts off access? 1/8
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@palmerluckey
Palmer Luckey
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@AlecStapp This would hit a lot harder if the government had not been doing this for at least a century. The gun industry during the Clinton years is a particularly relevant example.
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@dkthomp
Derek Thompson
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I continue to think that a useful way to see this administration is a kind of systematic “Control-F: monarchy” search function to discover the tools of authoritarianism embedded in the legal code. The White House keeps finding dormant, esoteric, picayune statutes to justify
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@justinbullock14
Justin Bullock
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This week in AI policy, everything is different, and everything is the same. Brilliantly laid out by @deanwball, who has further increased my respect for him the last 5 days. Kudos, sir.
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@tszzl
Roon
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@QuasLacrimas you can't conflate “the USA gets to decide” with “the pentagon can unilaterally nuke your company”
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@pmarca
Marc Andreessen
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Overheard in Silicon Valley: “Every single person who was in favor of government control of AI, is now opposed to government control of AI.”
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@tszzl
Roon
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The machinery of our current republic seems to be in such disrepair that it is hard to see how it lasts. No one knows what comes next, but I strongly suspect that whatever it is will be deeply intertwined with, and enabled by, advanced AI. It is with this that we will rebuild our
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@deanwball
Dean W. Ball
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@BearForce_Won as someone who has idolized ben since the days of “no, the iPhone is going to be resilient to commodification” (his beginning)—and obviously is operating in ben's shadow as a tech newsletter writer—I was disappointed with his piece today.
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@joannejang
Joanne Jang
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the most thoughtful & truth-seeking take on this all
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@bearforce_won
@bearforce_won
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This is excellent, and much less hastily reasoned than this morning's Stratechery piece, which as far as I can tell attempts to make the case that the government can unilaterally destroy private property on the basis of a counterparty's entirely theoretical future threat to its
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@quaslacrimas
Tantum
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Long term, the most powerful artificial intelligence will also be the most powerful weapon in the world. If you think you're building the most powerful weapon in the United States of America and the USA doesn't get to decide how to use it, you're smoking crack
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@xenoimpulse
@xenoimpulse
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I suppose I was incorrect in saying that a walkback could alleviate the chilling effects; the chilling effects are here to stay no matter what due to institutional incoherence and disunity. [image]
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@zeffmax
Max Zeff
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Powerful words from Dean Ball, former White House AI adviser. “That alone should make one thing clear: terms like this are not some ridiculous violation of the norms of defense contracting. Anyone attempting to convince you otherwise is misinformed or lying.”
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@dkthomp
Derek Thompson
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A quite brilliant essay on AI, the law, and the future of the republic. An upshot: If the US govt can go to any company, demand any contract language, and reserve the right to destroy your company if you have qualms, there is no such thing as private property rights in America.
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@mreflow
Matt Wolfe
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I know a ton of people have shared this already and you've probably already seen it. But it really is a great read. It's the most clear explanation of what's currently happening with Anthropic vs the DoW, with much more nuance than I'm able to share.
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@gallabytes
@gallabytes
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very high quality post, an accounting of the true cost of the moment. an interesting question for this time of incredible leverage that I haven't seen enough ink on: what comes after the republic? what should governance even look like at the dawn of superintelligence?
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@minmodulation
@minmodulation
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lmao well you get what you voted for [image]
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@garymarcus
Gary Marcus
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“No matter what world we build, the limitations imposed in the law on what we know today as “the government's” use of AI will be of paramount importance. We really do want to ensure that mass surveillance and autonomous weapons/systems of control cannot be used to curtail our
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@presidentlin
@presidentlin
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Bars. Read to the end. My two favourite paragraphs [image]
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@ericboehm87
Eric Boehm
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You really should read @deanwball's latest on the Trump administration's attempted corporate murder of Anthropic... [image]
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@s_oheigeartaigh
@s_oheigeartaigh
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This is essential reading. It's powerful, emotive, but also has exceptional clarity. This in particular is nail on head - “Even if I am right that we live in the “rapid capabilities growth” world, it will still be the case that the adoption of U.S. AI will be seen as especially
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@mdudas
Mike Dudas
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incredible piece on @AnthropicAI vs @DeptofWar via @deanwball https://www.hyperdimensional.co/ ... you simply can't pass laws anymore in america, which means regulators, courts and the president run the country [image]
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@zdch
Zac Hill
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One reason I am a State Capacity Maximalist (and why the work of e.g. @pahlkadot et al at Recoding America is so important to me) is that we just can't function as a Republic when the idea of passing legislation is at best a punchline. GOAT-tier essay from @deanwball today. [imag…
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@eggerdc
Andrew Egger
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Bracing stuff from @deanwball [image]
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@deredleritt3r
Prinz
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Self-recommending, and a must-read. I agree with pretty much every word of this.
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@ruark
@ruark
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“I encourage you to avoid the assumption that “democratic” control—control “of the people, by the people, and for the people”—is synonymous with governmental control. The gap between these loci of control has always existed, but it is ever wider now.” https://www.hyperdimensional…
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@thezvi
Zvi Mowshowitz
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Now in a Twitter article, so you have no excuse. Read it. My stuff can wait.
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@deanwball
Dean W. Ball
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Clawed
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@hamandcheese
Samuel Hammond
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“At some point during my lifetime—I am not sure when—the American republic as we know it began to die.”
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@rcbregman
Rutger Bregman
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Wow, the lead author of Trump's AI Action Plan, Dean Ball, is calling out Pete Hegseth's mafia-style behavior toward Anthropic: “The fact that his shot is unlikely to be lethal (only very bloody) does not change the message sent to every investor and corporation in America: do [i…
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@deanwball
Dean W. Ball
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I have, for lack of a better phrase, “action plan mode,” and that part of me wants to be like, “just add a fucking clause to dfars you fools” and then I also have, uh, “macrohistorical literary analysis mode,” and I think this piece probably captures the two wolves pretty well
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@andrewcurran_
Andrew Curran
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The old world is ending; more of it burns away every day. Things will never return to the way they were, not in two years, not in five, not ever. We have long since passed the threshold. This is an era of transformative change.
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@alecstapp
Alec Stapp
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This is not hyperbole, and every business leader in the country needs to recognize the stakes of what's happening: [image]
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@alecstapp
Alec Stapp
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Really important point here: There were much, much less restrictive means available for the Department of War to achieve its stated ends. Instead, they are attempting to destroy one of our leading AI companies. [image]
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@deanwball
Dean W. Ball
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I think this one needs no further explanation. [image]
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@timkellogg.me
Tim Kellogg
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Fascinating article. It argues that the republic is already dead, and the DoW incident is merely the signal — www.hyperdimensional.co/p/clawed [image]
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@moskov.goodventures.org
Dustin Moskovitz
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“If this event contributed anything, it simply made the ongoing death more obvious and less deniable for me personally. I consider the events of the last week a kind of death rattle of the old republic, the outward expression of a body that has thrown in the towel.” — Don't sk…
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@tcarmody
Tim Carmody
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The means of production have been replaced by the terms of service. [embedded post]
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@quastora
Trey Causey
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@stratechery I believe this post fundamentally misunderstands the options that are / were actually available to the government and to Anthropic in a way that is undemocratic. I highly recommend reading @deanwball's piece on this today for a more accurate picture. https://www.hype…
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@deanwball
Dean W. Ball
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I don't understand why this is so hard for people. Of course for some it actually isn't and they are just defending “whatever my side does” for all the typical stupid reasons. I am a little disappointed to see who has now fallen into the idiot trap, however.
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@artemisconsort
Hunter Ash
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People believe in process only and exactly to the extent they believe it will produce their desired outcomes.
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@dan_jeffries1
Daniel Jeffries
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Limited government folks have always understood one thing better than everyone else: Your team is not always in charge. Fools imagine their team will be in charge forever and always. So whatever powers you give “the powers that be” get to be used by the other guys later. So
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@beffjezos
@beffjezos
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EAs are for government control of AIs as long as it's their people in charge We have been calling them out for years and now the mask has come off Self-serving power-seeking disguised as virtue
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@aaronscher
Aaron Scher
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It continues to be the case that nobody knows how to align a superintelligence. Therefore, no company should be allowed to create such an AI, no government should be allowed to create such an AI. The private sector cannot effectively create such prohibitions—governments could.
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@antoniogm
Antonio García Martínez
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Yes, but the problem is that the reverse is also true.
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@benspringwater
Ben Springwater
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I love @benthompson . He is my favorite tech commentator. I listen to @stratechery every day. But his justification for the US Govt seeking to destroy Anthropic is incredibly glib and misguided. AI :: nuclear weapons is sometimes a useful analogy but it's obviously an imperf…
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@erikvoorhees
Erik Voorhees
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If your opinion on this topic depends on who the president is, you are actually the problem.
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@alltheyud
Eliezer Yudkowsky
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Just to be real clear, I am and have been in favor of international treaties to shut down escalation toward superhuman AI. I am against government control of advanced AI. I am also against private control of advanced AI. It must not be allowed to exist.
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@dkthomp
Derek Thompson
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Three things that can be true at the same time 1. That this WH has a commendable talent for turning public opinion against its actions. 2. That govt regulation of AI was always going to be a very tricky multi-stage muddle no matter who the president was in 2026. 3. That Pete
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@packym
Packy McCormick
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Ben Thompson with the best take on DOD v. Anthropic, which is basically: if you don't want the government to treat your technology like nuclear weapons, stop comparing your technology to nuclear weapons. Hype Tax. [image]
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@morallawwithin
@morallawwithin
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Crazy how the “the government should ban torture” people are in favor of government control of torture, right until the government starts torturing people