Discussion

• @firstadopter Tae Kim on x

  Large swaths of the media and here on social media played the role of the useful idiot gushing over DeepSeek's prowess. Good job everyone!

• @firstadopter Tae Kim on x

  I wrote about this before, how China's advances are fraudulent. Now confirmed by both OpenAI and Anthropic. Yes, DeepSeek is a copycat, copy paste fraud “We have identified industrial-scale campaigns by three AI laboratories—DeepSeek, Moonshot, and MiniMax—to illicitly extract

• @sigkitten @sigkitten on x

  good job, deepseek, moonshot, minimax. please do more

• @timfduffy Tim Duffy on x

  Also, https://z.ai/ is a surprising omission, are they not training on Claude or is there just not as strong evidence? I think I've heard folks say GLM sounds Claudey before.

• @timfduffy Tim Duffy on x

  Personally I think it's probably good that it's possible to use distillation to help catch up to the frontier, makes it harder for any one lab to pull ahead.

• @timfduffy Tim Duffy on x

  This has been long suspected, but I think this is the first official accusation, right? I wonder if OpenAI has also seen distillation by those labs using their models.

• @abcampbell @abcampbell on x

  remember when the doomers told us china was too concerned about control to compete at the frontier? rationalist epistemics in shambles rn but everyone too busy raising money for their pet ngos to care https://x.com/...

• @alexpalcuie @alexpalcuie on x

  just a sample of my workday

• @tensor_rotator Alek Dimitriev on x

  I can finally publicly state one reason I've not been bullish on open source catching up and overtaking the frontier labs: we observed several of the top open source models distilling from Claude. Leapfrogging happens through innovation, not distillation.

• @anthropicai @anthropicai on x

  These attacks are growing in intensity and sophistication. Addressing them will require rapid, coordinated action among industry players, policymakers, and the broader AI community. Read more: https://www.anthropic.com/...

• @anthropicai @anthropicai on x

  Distillation can be legitimate: AI labs use it to create smaller, cheaper models for their customers. But foreign labs that illicitly distill American models can remove safeguards, feeding model capabilities into their own military, intelligence, and surveillance systems.

• @anthropicai @anthropicai on x

  We've identified industrial-scale distillation attacks on our models by DeepSeek, Moonshot AI, and MiniMax. These labs created over 24,000 fraudulent accounts and generated over 16 million exchanges with Claude, extracting its capabilities to train and improve their own models.

• @mclean Michael McLean on bluesky

  LLM Distillation is really underdiscussed.  Fascinating to me that third-party groups are better at distilling the frontier models than the frontier labs themselves lol.  [embedded post]

• r/singularity r on reddit

  Anthropic is accusing DeepSeek, Moonshot AI (Kimi) and MiniMax of setting up more than 24,000 fraudulent Claude accounts, and distilling training information from 16 million exchanges.

• @theprimeagen @theprimeagen on x

  wait... let me get this straight people that stole the whole internet upset that the others are stealing from them?

• @headinthebox Erik Meijer on x

  Any system, software, hardware, AI model, ..., that can be observed, can be cloned.

• @gergelyorosz Gergely Orosz on x

  Anthropic scrapes copyrighted materials online; creates a model that they charge $$ for; doesn't compensate for use - apparently this is fair? Now Anthropic complains about other companies paying for model access, to create free models anyone can use - and this is not fair??

• @elonmusk Elon Musk on x

  @tetsuoai Banger 🤣🤣 How dare they steal the stuff Anthropic stole from human coders??

• @krishnanrohit Rohit on x

  This is interesting. The article says Deepseek had 150k exchanges, Moonshot 3.4m and MiniMax 13m. That's a difference of 100x between Deepseek and MiniMax, were they doing the same thing? Also, fromt his, seems using Claude as “llm as a judge” seems to violate the policy too? [im…

• @morqon Morgan on x

  they'll spin it differently, but deepseek isn't the problem here: “150,000 interactions” is only 0.9% of the detected distillations [image]

• @suhail @suhail on x

  Seems fair tbh. Anthropic has done industrial scale scraping of everyone's stuff 🤷🏾‍♂️

• @mitsuhiko Armin Ronacher on x

  Distillation is great! We need more of it.

• @kenwheeler Patagucci Perf Papi on x

  damn that's crazy they stole your ip and are trying to resell it for a profit? what kind of complete fucking asshole would do that!?

• @wesbos Wes Bos on x

  Oh noooo, the company that extracted our data for their models is having others extracting data for their models

• @tetsuoai Tetsuo on x

  I can't believe someone would just steal from Anthropic like this. The millions of man-hours Anthropic spent hand-writing code, text, art, books, etc. to generate enough data for training must be taken into consideration here. Where is the respect for IP?

• @jackfriks Jack Friks on x

  maybe this is why anthropic been so worried about people using their claude code subs for things other than claude code trying to stop this

• @jackellis Jack Ellis on x

  Anthropic: Trains it's models using other people's data Also Anthropic: China is stealing our data!

• @morqon Morgan on x

  just in time for the deepseek narrative window

• @vasuman Vas on x

  Company that trained on everyone's data without asking is upset that someone trained on its data without asking 2026 is the year of open source for a reason

• @hsvsphere @hsvsphere on x

  Wow, based. I will use the Chinese models more, I can even use it for sensitive topics as they're open source.

• @jaredkubin Jared L Kubin on x

  It's almost like they need... durable battle tested security products

• @luciascarlet † Lucia Scarlet on x

  🥺 oh noooooo 🥺,,, anyway

• @tekbog @tekbog on x

  wow someone trained on your work? that's crazy

• @teknium @teknium on x

  Ohhh nooo not my private IP how dare someone use that to train an AI model, only Anthropic has the right to use everyone elses IP nooooo, this cannot stand!

• @mert @mert on x

  silicon valley was a documentary damn it jian yang [image]

• @theahmadosman Ahmad on x

  Cry me a river, you pirated humanity's knowledge and trained your models on it!

• r/BetterOffline r on reddit

  Anthropic accuses Chinese companies of “copying” its models through mass industrial distillation.

• r/technology r on reddit

  Anthropic claims to have identified industrial-scale distillation attacks by DeepSeek, Moonshot AI, and MiniMax.

• @gothburz Peter Girnus on x

  Credit where it's due — they named DeepSeek, Moonshot, and MiniMax with specific attribution. But the IoCs are shared privately while the policy ask is shared publicly. The audience for this post isn't defenders though, it's @congressdotgov @HouseGOP @HouseDemocrats @SenateGOP

• @seldo.com Laurie Voss on bluesky

  The *audacity* it takes the big model trainers to complain that somebody else scraped their work and is capturing value from it without permission.  The sheer chutzpah.  The staggering lack of self-awareness.  It's gobsmacking.  [embedded post]

• @peark.es George Pearkes on bluesky

  Do NOT recommend reading this at face value but it does have some interesting anecdotes in it about how Anthropic is able to detect and undermine distillation attacks.