Lawyers for a teen who died by suicide after allegedly discussing methods with ChatGPT call OpenAI's request for all memorial documents “intentional harassment”
Family of teen who took his own life after ChatGPT use alleges chatbot maker intentionally weakened protections X: @cristinacriddle , @justinbullock14 , @grady_booch , @sachalouise , @codytfenwick , @ednewtonrex , @tombarfield , @realdcochrane , @science2_0 , @f_j_j_ , @panickssery , @thezvi , @brianlfrye , @ilex_ulmus , @rubinovitz , @themidasproj , @peterwildeford , @rahll , @s_oheigeartaigh , @robertwiblin , @s_oheigeartaigh , @michaelhpage , @fairplayforkids , @zemotion , @andreworlowski , @daniel_271828 , @hackingbutlegal , @miles_brundage , @stefanfschubert , @_nathancalvin , @simeon_cps , @mikebutcher , @cristinacriddle , @remmelte , and @humanharlan . Forums: r/OpenAI X: Cristina Criddle / @cristinacriddle : OpenAI has sent a legal request to the family of Adam Raine, the 16yo who died by suicide following lengthy chats with ChatGPT, asking for a full attendee list to his memorial, as well as photos taken or eulogies given. His lawyers told the FT this was “intentional harassment” [image] Justin Bullock / @justinbullock14 : “all document relating to memorial services or events in the honor of the decedent including but not limited to any videos or photographs taken, or eulogies given....” [image] Grady Booch / @grady_booch : But, let's trust @sama and @OpenAI to lead us into one perfect AGI future. Sacha Haworth / @sachalouise : Wow. This is disgusting Cody Fenwick / @codytfenwick : OpenAI is clearly out of control. Its legal team has no scruples — or even common sense — and it feels emboldened to harass whoever it likes. It will only stop if employees or regulators make clear this is unacceptable. Ed Newton-Rex / @ednewtonrex : This is absolutely sickening Tom Barfield / @tombarfield : When you're extremely busy inventing AGI: Daniel Cochrane / @realdcochrane : After OpenAI's chatbot urged a young teenager, Adam Raine, to commit suicide, his parents sued the company to demand justice and basic safeguards. Now, OpenAI is harassing them by demanding they disclose a list of attendees to their dead son's funeral. This is morally depraved! @science2_0 : Once you get that kind of capitalization, it changes you, and executives try to blame lawyers, but that doesn't resonate. Francis Jervis / @f_j_j_ : This looks like boilerplate for a wrongful death case? Especially if they're defending against allegations of intentional conduct. Litigation is obnoxious. Definitely misleading to attribute discovery requests to the client - “OpenAI” is not requesting this, their lawyers are. Arjun Panickssery / @panickssery : As I've been saying, you can find respectable LessWrong/rationalist types abandon principles in order to spread “OpenAI has evil lawyers” messaging and side with an obviously frivolous lawsuit whose merit they would dismiss instantly if it didn't coincide with this anti-AI angle Zvi Mowshowitz / @thezvi : ok, look, guys. guys. new lawyers. now. Brian L. Frye / @brianlfrye : You file a lawsuit, you provide discovery. Give me a break. @ilex_ulmus : So gross. This subpoena/materials request strategy is so blatant that I shudder at the intention behind it. Does OpenAI *want* to openly be known as intimidating the little guys—small nonprofits and alleged victims of their product? Does this look work for them somehow? JB Rubinovitz / @rubinovitz : In the future I hope we all have legal force fields powered by AI that will just reject this nonsense for free @themidasproj : In case the subpoenas to nonprofits weren't bad enough: @CristinaCriddle reports that OpenAI asked the grieving family of Adam Raine, who died by suicide after support from ChatGPT, for a full list of invitees to the funeral and all photos and eulogies. Ghastly stuff. @peterwildeford : Wow - hot off of legally harassing other critics like @_NathanCalvin, OpenAI makes the bold move to continue their harassment and target the family of Adam Raine, the kid that ChatGPT coached step-by-step through a tragic suicide. Reid Southen / @rahll : OpenAI is absolute scum. More intimidation and harassment tactics, this time against the family of a 16 year old who took their own life. @s_oheigeartaigh : What on earth. Rob Wiblin / @robertwiblin : This is absolutely mental. @s_oheigeartaigh : Got to think this costs OpenAI in terms of research/engineering staff retention, especially after the Encode/Midas/Eko fiasco. Too many good people there with too many good options available to them to put up with this. Page / @michaelhpage : Fire your law firm, issue a public apology, and commit to doing better going forward. Now is not the time to dig in. It's not complicated. Fairplay / @fairplayforkids : We strongly condemn @OpenAI harassing the grieving family of a dead teen as part of its attempts to avoid liability for ChatGPT's deadly defects. This is a company that shouldn't be allowed within 1000 yards of a child. Jingna Zhang / @zemotion : This is horrible Andrew Orlowski / @andreworlowski : OpenAI persuaded this lad that suicide was honourable and exactly how to do it: personalised advice. Now it's going after his family [image] Daniel Eth / @daniel_271828 : What the absolute fuck. This is abhorrent. Jackie Singh / @hackingbutlegal : Sam Altman is a bad person. I even wrote a story about it Miles Brundage / @miles_brundage : I doubt any OpenAI executives signed off on this, but that doesn't excuse it - OpenAI is obviously doing too much + losing focus. If you can't keep track of all your lawsuits, don't launch browsers and social media apps and (etc.). https://x.com/... Stefan Schubert / @stefanfschubert : I'm perplexed that you can make such a request in the US. ChatGPT (!) tells me that “this type of sweeping request is possible under U.S. discovery law, but would be impossible or rejected in Sweden or the UK”.. Nathan Calvin / @_nathancalvin : Is a subpoena asking for the attendees and eulogies from a teenager's funeral “to be expected”? [image] Siméon / @simeon_cps : OpenAI leadership: Nothing to see here. Just traditional legal best practices. It's all because of Elon. Mike Butcher / @mikebutcher : Before you download that Atlas browser, you might want to read this. Cristina Criddle / @cristinacriddle : The Raine family today filed an amendment to their lawsuit against OpenAI, alleging it weakened suicide prevention safeguards in order to increase user engagement, leading up to Adam's death. OpenAI said it has safeguards in place and continues to strengthen them. Story below: Remmelt Ellen / @remmelte : Imagining doing that after this: “OpenAI twice loosened ChatGPT's rules for discussing suicide in the year before 16-year-old Adam Raine took his own life using a method the chatbot advised him on, according to an amended lawsuit filed by his parents on Wednesday.” Harlan Stewart / @humanharlan : Right now, someone at OpenAI is finding a way to spin this in a way that sounds less evil. But the mask has been off for a while. It's a $500b company that's run like the mafia, and of course it will harass a grieving family that gets in the company's way. 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